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Weld County Planning Commission
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Date : November 1 , 1971
Subject : Indianhead Subdivision
Applicants : Interladco , Inc .
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Planning Commission Members :
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Philip Bowles , Chairman
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Donald Clark .
J . Ben Nix
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John Watson
Leonard Bartels
Others :
Tom Connell , Ass ' t. County Attorney
• Glen Paul , Sanitarian
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Dale 01hausen : I have the president of the firm
Mr. Warren Stobbe , Mr. Jim Wilburn and Lynn Hammond as the
local attorney for them, and they have a parcel of property
in Weld County just a mile this side of Kelim, and I am not
sure what Burman presented to you except that we were hope-
ing to , I think , just have an informal discussion and let
them present their views and you yours and I - - is that
the understanding? I am sorry Burman isn ' t here , I don ' t
want to
Philip Bowles : We ' ll lay the ground rules and
we are running late and we ' ll try and not ask too many
questions if you ' ll try no be too long winded in giving us
information . Fair enough?
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Secretary : Will you speak a little louder.
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Mr. Bowles : Yeah , maybe that will help .
Mr. Hammond : The purpose was to get together to
let you in first hand on what the company had intend-id for
this property when they purchased it originally and per-
haps seek some clarification from you all as to what your
policies are , so that they might be advised on which way
to go . I would like to have Mr. Stobbe outline for you
very briefly their initial investigation into this area ,
why they bought the land , when they bought it , what they
intended to do with it and then perhaps I can come back
in and tell where some of the problems have come up.
Mr. Olhausen : Warren , would you care to - -
Warren Stobbe : Yes , I ' d be very happy to . I
must say this is my first Planning Commission meeting, so
if I say too much or not enough , please let me know. But
sometj_m_e go_,__back lame hnught somepr°part,lL
iti y -a et t?mP a�a r�il� an j� S:SItt�L€ -
_e erY type �_=t xatie 'fi —wa �3ra TaTrTey=€al-kt_ !
- san s e er.tatm pec.p tee eicecut-zves at. ictiT alc;a,
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fi-o-rtounty-Co mints g ans; i 1Fitica nit staTceftror tfat, we .
went ahead and bought property away from the existing com-
munities , at the advice of most of the people that we talk-
ed to , business Tead s ; ad in€t-nTtom As _it_-turn-ea
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we---cvmYrri_tte�`�trtfla»tfia-YreIc'hl`alirttT—thfs d1rRl:io.cr_�d�
ha-ve delayed';` -in erect-, an-yof ouy developments to date
to a point where it is becoming quite painful . We ' re pay-
ing interest on the property , we are a business or a corp-
oration as opposed to a farm-oriented type company and
necessarily we have to do something with the prop?rty that
we buy as inventory because in fact we do refer to it as
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- inventory and necessarily bought for investment purposes .
Certainly , at the price that we paid , it wouldn ' t be con-
sidered agricultural oriented . So with this in mind , we ' ve
proceeded to finance the company , the project, go through
a great deal of expense with reference to planning , con-
stantly being shuffled by the winds that we were exposed
to , new planning ideas , philosophies that are being put on
paper which obviously , if you read closely, would come to
find that after all the time and energy, which as been a
tremendous amount , we are thoroughly confused . Other than
what we have read recently , the views of Weld County are
thoroughly spelled out as to their current philosophy , dia-
metrically opposed to those of Boulder, certainly different
from those of Lorimer Csu ty , in__which_we=.alu-_ AwnLnr_np-erty --
We- r-ems �ti _de• ora l tom- fc l t w_ he:_-le-adc-o-t-other - 4
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o € an ;1 Tight we certairFT tf�ink-
aQ n. 1 Lir atctY3 std✓ t flay -cUrc- d rd?
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t e " a$ a ;,fits-----
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eciftting—sfandarda codes-, bid Td-in .g odes , which are j t
written in other communities , we would like to comply with
all of these , sanitation and so on . It ' s to a point where
we Slant-_:to comply, we-wanted tat wer nt--to the
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...a_r_e_- v- isleAceleence to point:`ou-t that we could establish points-of-
time where , in fact , we did make efforts to do these var-
ious things . As I say , it was just our entrant or entree
to this area was just after Kodak. At that time , people
were apprehensive , indefinite in their opinion , and cer-
tainly not in any way directive in attitude or any kind
of help. So at this point , I ' m talking on here , I am
going to cut this short as you suggested. I - would like to
get some advice , some counciling , we are sort of committed
here to a particular course of action by virtue of our
stockholders , our committments in real estate , the expenses
that we have accrued at this point and from my observa-
tions , as much as I dislike saying it, it appears from what
Mr. Lorenson had mentioned to me, that we're on a collision
course , and I sought Lynn Hammond 's adivce, council , we've
done everything humanly possible. Mr. Olhausen , Mr. Shupe
has presented us with all the laws at their disposal rel -
ative to engineering , design , and soon. And as a repre-
sentative of our firm, I would like to lay my case on your
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Mr. Stobbe : We made two attempts to talk to
Mr Lor-enson. In It tt� i_#rst n eat he__ s i, hat _ever-<-. .. }ecru-- -:_.
g' 1 -rta a to g# i-t-da:es � t laatfer
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era3r wo-rds,ten ! 3 trod t__
of just litigation , we thought we better revise our posi-
tion again at great expense , based on Mr. Lorensons ' sug-
gestion , we revised two times our total concept as to what
we were going to do with this property, or attempt to do
with it .
Mr. Hammond : Let ' s spell out for Mr. Bowles
there , whatever we can . The number of acres in the prop-
erty is 100. 42 acres , it ' s located south of U. S . 34 , one
mile east of Kelim. It ' s the old Mellin property.
Mr. Olhausen : Directly adjacent to Highway 34.
Mr. Hammond : And it ' s also bordered on the east
by a County road , and the original intent of the company
was to develop that area , hopefully, on a Planned Unit
Development concept of whereby the necessary, obviously
the necessary utilities , water and sewer are going to have
to be provided and taken care of and that the idea of a
Planned Unit Development would be hopefully to develop the
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he..need e___an_ a os�spTannsd--Hrti can p�o�r d as
opposed to_just gat s. w and laying-au wets , --1
b]Qcks : And - t₹ti gc fide =pro-Eft em- Mr _ -Z-tsbb--e: te ref.
ence o_ i s, tftaty crija._or_igi
with. Mr Lorensoir trirtk, and I wo;sld cerr&n-siy `say thi
-if- Burman was- here-,--:"1 think the ttiIngtti tAell was .-
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simply ;his ad_vYce t Sto-tsbe [�at ,� Xn -i?der forget
about it , that f em-going to- do- everyth-i-ng—`T can to -1a -=1 ±
road blocks because this is not in line with what our con-
cept is . We believe in developing around cities and we ' re
certainly going to da everything—Ake-1_6f -to- ifdsEourage- -
-deacelo"pment outside th it_le s. " Acrd th--tniti r-retrinay —"-
- have-even asked rtrim 7414-ell , if it ' s approved by----the Com-
missioners , you certainly will cooperate with us in try-
ing to get whatever plan is approved worked out , " and I
believe he indicated that he would , but that so far as it
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was possible for him, there was not going to be this type
of development not that he had anything against Mr. Stobbe,
the company that owns the land or anything , but I don ' t
think he knows anything about it . So you see , that if with
this background and being advised by the one individual to,,
whom you usually go for things like this , the planner, when
you ' re advised that , "Well everything that you may have de-
cided or hoped or planned for is not going to happen , at
least as far as we' re able to determine . And it was be-
cause of this that Mr. Stobbe came first to see me and I
have tlaked about it , but a great deal of unfavorable pub-
licity as to the company and what some of it' s plans and
asperations are , it is very interesting , but we don"t have
t * "t-i 4 tt:gn ant vnt3Gcrg g p
mire dome=of she`se Qrrgifraec There lss eve—fel �, rro
Iete urrderstant i-ng ,between €he ca) nl!vatict the i6nr- --
orrers- tit E�aatrte �>atrn£ � fioih- a�rhe they ,r _
-whd LTILhey Sete rd to dw dnd ^thy clt- wo Oy-r-
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now if that ' s wrong , then we would request an audience with
you_at an early date so that we could s_p_ell o tin detail
w�h I tFe p- Ts_. e- P girerre --der-tsed—ti tirft- a
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faith Now what I tell you , I certainly will keep my word ,
and I am certain that what Mr . Stobbe tells you , he ' s will -
ing to keep his word . By the same taken we would expect
and hope for the same degree of frankness from you all that
- but if it isn ' t going to help us any to sit down and
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investigate this , we would want to know it now, because
there are certain alternatives that are open to us that
aren ' t going to be open to us three , six , nine months
down the road . We don ' t want to go through a great deal
of engineering expense , a great deal of planning , a great
deal of trouble of finding out things that we could have
found out at the early stages of the game.
Mr. Bowles : Back up to my other question , what
did you plan to do?
Mr. Stobbe : Originally we had bought the prop-
erty with a residential community in mind , providng the am-
enities that would go with an overall concept of a resi -
tenfi-*L_c aun f g e<Fr'=gr 7 that= w s ni =_
hix-,area revrsed_ €ices subtaW,ue_ntty ter.:aus ire- "
- fatCga ze tha_t-stir,.p�o rues are n farrri r�rinu9 ura- LtktLn t f the Z01 g ti . is ,_ v gourtc
ie _cal 4ed t- f- C12 n+-rrr � � ve unwtenin ,=.
- ar c raFts , s �P annecl tfx il�#ieyeizrti ?f Vie p cee e "8n
- is ours of—action- far corus 6ra hris-Thnrppri t trxrp,-
€y tli Trinant r ern" tttettf ` ta :- h-.M
- son , he fTatiy-sa t; wi `ni just not interested in that , T
however, if you want to pursue it in terms of the forc-
ing it" , may be he didn ' t say that , rybut he impl ied;that
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an $ is i = #a- EK rntfvriu rap = z) --
- '- gri-nst-=min maw _ ut .)s` = y g he atc� 'tftt ve�g
phatically that this was not the type thing that he ' s
trying to do . On the other hand , we accepted his remarks
in good faith and as of the last month , we ' ve been , or less
than a month , say the last two weeks , we again had Mr.
Hogan and his Company revise our plan so that his :terms
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might be even softened to some extent. We have complied ,
in our judgment , with the spirit of the existing zoning
laws where we could submit a Planned Unit Development as
our first choice . We could also submit an Estate Planned
subdivision which is permitted by the current Zoning Reg-
ulations , full knowledge of course being given to sanita-
tion , utilities of various kinds that we would like to pro-
vide for in keeping with our mutual interests . So as you
point out , Mr. Bowles , we are quite willing to go ahead
with the Planned Unit Development , we also have an Estate
Development that we could submit. Obviously , from an ec-
onomic point of view, the Planned Unit Development is a
much more economically sound , well -organized community.
it_ would_ be in_better standing with everybody , including
h ezi s trng f rrrrers the us`iness --peo-gla, i t -make tior - 1 -
can ca-a��"YtLP e-Lf stri�Yrt-tJf '� .th `kS-6bj_ec-tiro a _
rrrw 'e-ver -rcraszns e-gm-ii-e- X1=11 trig-
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Mr. Bowles : Basically it all amounts to -what ,
I think in the terminology of this Board , would be a scat
ted ubdiv sion outside _of the existing servicesareas ,-
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3Tie fire , —all Clas--bLu1 located in a -c,.entra Eloca-
Tom Connell : Mr. Bowles , if I might suggest ,
that any of the answers given, I think the discussion may
be fine , but that any of the answers given be not an ex-
pression of the Board as a whole , but as of the attitudes
exhibited by the individual members , sitting as a member
of the Board.
Mr. Bowles : Individual member just spoke . O. K.
My own feeling is that , I mean your ' s isn ' t the first sub-
division that cropped in places where they don ' t seem
likely , and the - - -
Mr. Stobbe : As of what date though , Mr. Bowles?
Mr. Bowles : Any date.
Mr. Stobbe : Uh , we were submitting these before -
Mr. Bowles : No , let ' s don ' t take any date , let' s
just say , that for all practical purposes , within the Coun-
ty, the things that have come up have been problems once
they 'Ye- the-re order- sluff-that came before your -time,- -`
"let' s-1-take- Spac&tity- as a good example, ci'ear down in the -
3airh-Fiwestco-hr er Mobile--Home Subdtvtsion,-4n before this` v -
:43-0a-rd- sit at the very
ayry- eeisteinrcc-orzuntn es---yrr zttd=-there Is. e'dEmtn3,_ -
-- =Imo pTF=need eat a , pfiaee ego , but they're so-=de rrrerfa -
rem't e She.rxff}s=office_} arrd so_ far from ,ihe fire= diircart
raea a ate -from etieryth mg, that trail, all- that ends ug is
�aomplarnts from-d`own there , they-complain about the -taads Y
they complain about the Sheriff, they complain about this
and that , part of their own problem is that they locate in
an area where it ' s not - _they want_:fifteen_ mi.nute_ser-
vice., but they locate fifty m-tles -fropi-that servrce,_.as��=
while you wouldn ' t be to this extreme over =here , it ' s__ ,
still another subdivision that ' s really not close to the
services that people are going to demand once they are
there . I don ' t care whether they are on one acre lots ,
or whether they ' re on the horsey five acre lots or what
they are , they ' re going to want to demand , it seems like
instant service and then there ' s always criticism when
these services can ' t be provided , so that my feeling has
been that there ' s just no practical reason for some-
thing being located so completely isolated as this thing
would appear to be . The only thing that you can say about
it , there ' s a good road going by it from here to Loveland.
What else has it got going for it? It ' s just a farm that
you probably bought for too much money, and wes all bought
stuff we paid too much and - - -
Mr. Stobbe : I ( inaudible) interrupt. I ' m not
that interested in your personal opinions as to price ,
why - -
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to a lk i re4-sed is 'Ies to y trr�tr n
$ £ r¢tl�ny virvmue Iccu�} terecto us ,5ha<tL `v
e ..rte. CisiterWry- u - p on x s methr tk gtT s =
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the money bit ,
Mr. Stobbe : Fine.
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us,. a bitter ea_ _ are . cult sct�tsider- soM-6t _ing stuck
out on that road that - - -
Mr . Stobbe : The first reason I would like to
submit is , the Fourteenth Amendment that has all the values
that as a property owner , we are legally justified to build
on our property if it complies with zoning , sanitation , sew-
er , utilities and so on . We ' re iiot asking for a favor,
we ' re asking for our constitutional rights . That ' s as
simple as I can say it.
John Watson : Let me defend Mr. Lorenson. I
think that your , he is setting forth policy that has been
adopted by this Board , not very many months ago . I ' d back
up and correct you for some of your statements about plan-
ning and zoning. I think zoning has been in Weld County
for twelve years . A long time. We have taken the initia-
tive to set a policy because we don ' t feel it ' s fair to
you , a speculator to go out here and put your money down
on a piece of property when you don ' t know some policies
that have been set forth , and we have been commended by
Larimer County for having a backbone to stand on our two
feet and set a policy. It It just happened last week at the_
t an►rr amrtri-s-sjon f-hmfherhave tt da_ate
₹mss—yeti' tees_oro to--see- aEt dana�fin- that -0ttIT -
Ts�bae try-an-cf.-ire s gett-rn uff-becaiFse —_
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ferent=than a man that has owned-a farm=out-`here that he
inherited for $100. 00 an acre and you bought that farm for
$1500. 00 an acre . That man ' s farm that he inherited is just
sz±igua l-etas- rs He_has_just_-as_ j r gh
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Mr. Hammond : I don ' t hink the monetary value
has anything to do with it .
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Mr. Watson : That' s what I ' m trying to say , it
has no bearing .
Mr. Stobbe : Fine , we appreciate that , (inaudible) .
Mr. Watson : I think Mr. Bowles clarified that,
but he - - -
Mr. Stobbe : I , that , that' s the point he latch-
ed onto. That wasn' t the main thrust of my comments _
That was just one point that I feel close to , but that's
not the main reason that I think we' re distorting and going
askew from the main purpose. Our point is not just pro-
stituting the land or you might say making some slipshod
fashion of a development , it never has been and that's one
of the things that I ' m trying to clearly define. This is
et}t-#ems Wit- t -f io- samethin ".cum&
_- er -temerrgw" lie-=p`Tan crn .be ng- here many years
— =ffiiisitroilaefes- i Wer xyiunct u:� -rn es tx .9110
t �= �a-IL--e f tk e* nea n ��� tk �ke t s Ott s
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wrong" . That' s our problem.
Mr. Watson : Wouldn ' t you
S`t-ohh UIg_41hrl- stIr.ttaas that yolk axe _evnk=
ng i n.. factT have lust--been esi a,b�Trsh.ed-, even though they
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Arty. been talked about . I don ' t deny you that privilege ,
but we are trying to deal with finite material , evidence .
We ' re not shadow boxing politically , we ' re a developer.
We ' re got to turn in plans that make sense , engineering
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wise , and so on. We can ' t say from uh , with our stock-
holders and other people "The philosophy is , " . What are
the laws of the land? What are we not complying with?
That ' s my question .
Mr. 01hausen : These fellows , what he was point-
ing out before ; they came out before and there was no plan-
ning section in Weld County, not that there wasn ' t a Plan-
ning Commission , but there wasn' t a Planning Director at
that time , and Mr. Stobbe and Mr. Wilburn have both moved
to the area and they have every intent of doing the job
right and their company is substantial and their integrity ,
I think is , from my standpoint, excellent and I think
they ' re frustrated because here they ' ve got a piece of prop-
_ _.._. -gym -#ltrr25 ssmE�trmrx htt iXOdt. 11 �riv=-
_ - r¢� aut here, and fhe- _I-o etl at �C ta
did they put- ce tn
6efi tro Tt rs Ito ice, Ott-___t1_n-poi=nt- xs tfre
lta_rre t t -` It' sa,been al with= rrgtrt- -rot en a 7.77
iii a--pra#ersicnr s ar a = v cif -Ca
hopefully , you know, this isn ' t the end of the line. There' s
other areas that can be developed and be very desirable , we
have good..-a _ess-r vice c r-o rule tne other-
property -The ,pat.rtt- in man rrq fns etreut ehetart
i lg -r-rr- the- paper,""`W cittn _. - -
g-₹Fe_ tremendous frapac_ _ [f odak,
it was citing the new areas that were going to come around
the existing cities . If you look at the stars on the map ,
it had many in the Northern Colorado area .
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Mr. Olhausen : I- think , but the main point is ,
is it a one way street when we get all done? Now, look
at the development at Northmoor Acres , we had 32 sites
there that was , the final plat was last year and they ' ve
sold 18 already. Obviously, sure , maybe you call it butch-
ering or something , but that ' s a beautiful location , that
particular parcel was , has a tremedous view. Obviously ,
those people want to live in an area like that. Now, with
proper planning , can ' t we sit down and work out these. areas
so that you provide the greenbelts , you could provide these
other things . I think it ' s a shortcoming from you ' re stand-
point if you pull back and say , "Sure , let's shove every-
body
into the city. " That' s the easy; out to me. I think
there ' s a need in other areas , and sure we want to control
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Kodak is here., whether we like- or not , it ' s here ,' and if you
can imagine the imput that we ' re going to get in the next
few years, and ten_years-lie nr-P=&nd "s4--mom M[iese _fe1t 2 --
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the road , and I have no basic argument with some of the pol -
icies . When I talk to Burman , I ' m in disagreement on areas ,
I agree that we need a change in zoning on the agricultural .
I think that this butchering up land and putting an acre
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here along the road and expecting the rural water districts ,
and you know where I stand there , to come up and do this ,
I think that' s the worst thing that can happen. Well , what
the hecks the matter with coming in and doing a right job
in an area , controlling the greenbelt , and doing some other
things , and if you can give it to the school , have it self
supporting , if you can control it with fire districts ,
those are planning problems that should be resolved and
taken care of. If that guys got to pay $1 ,000.00 per site
to provide an extra bus to run , then that' s another problem
that should be resolved before he can go there. But that
isn ' t to say to shove them all back in the existing towns ,
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Right now , Greeley I ' d assume , is in the area of 50 ,000
people . There is not just Kodak coming in your fine area ,
there are two other companies that I ' m aware of and there' s
going to be myriad of support and ancillary type businesses
- -going around that Kodak project that' ll dazzle the imagina-
tion off of you . What we ' re saying is , we ' re not look-
ing at it , what is happening today , we' re saying what
you do has to apply to what is going to be here in five
years , and all your saying is "Make our city bigger" .
Well what happens when it' s 100 ,000 or 150 ,000 , then
what' s the attitude?
Mr. Bowles : 0. K. Let' s , we' re running out
of time. •
Mr. Connell : If I might make a couple of com-
ments. I think , John , your discussion is well taken.
However, I think you do have the present planning code to
go by as far as choice areas, whether it would be Planned
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Mr. 0lhausen ( Inaudible) . I think we have the
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atr�-frankly; I asked`" Burman nrfysel'f- poi-ntbl-ank a couple dif-
ferent times , when we get all done , "What do we recommend?"
He said , "no" . And so the , I asked him, " Is the Commission ' s
attitude directly and hopefully you ' ll look at it with open
eyes " , and that ' s , I think , all we ' re asking but obviously
this is going to cost time and money to put these together
and present it , and , we hope at least , you ' ll look at it
from a planning standpoint and not throw it out the door.
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Jim Ohi : Burman was looking at it from a plan-
ning standpoint too .
Mr. Olhausen : Has he agreed from a planning
standpoint he would look at them and work with us , but in
the end he would recommend "No.'?
Mr. Watson : Dale , could I say one thing that
makes you , show you some of our feelings?
Mr. Mr. Watson.
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Mr.""' Connell . There`s one thing I want to point
out. Mr. Lorenson is the Planning Director of the County.
He only recommends to the Board , he makes a determination .
Mr. Olhausen : I appreciate that , then that' s
why we ' re here , for an informal discussion.
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Mr. Connell : He makes a - - - recommendation to
the Board , then the Board must, and within certain bound-
aries of the law , regardless of the - - - - decision , which
is then a recommendation to the Board of County Commission-
ers .
Mr. Hammond : Well , I think this has served a
useful purpose and I think that most of you gentlemen
think the same spirit because nobody has tried to come
over here and tell you that this is what you better do or . .
we' re going to do this . We ' re perfectly aware of what our •
legal rights are . If the information that I have gained • i
from talking with a number of people is correct, unfortun- -
ately , I think we ' re on a collision course, but this re-
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bold' _ } e: most.- :_Unfortunately, that- procedure is th:e east
est for you to turn down , and the hardest for us to go to
court on . And that' s what I ' m saying , if we were , you
know , could sit down and you knew us completely, you knew
everybody , we were putting our cards on the table and we
were going at it in the proper spirit , I ' m sure that our
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'Planned Unit Development would be best , but , that ' s the
thing that we don ' t , my advice to the company is , unless
you have the indication that the Planning Commission is
with this in spirit , and that if you do put up a good
product , they ' ll pass it , then you better not fool with
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you but location . So good people —• =
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