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Home My WebLink About720654.tiff • Al WELD COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION Date : January 3 , 1972 Subject : Preliminary plat of Indianhead Subdivision Applicant : Interladco , Inc . Planning Commission members present : Philip Bowles , Chairman Glenn Anderson J . Ben Nix • John Watson • Interladco : Warren Stobbe Eyrrn- Fammurrd- - .- - _�._ _ .. .....: -_�E?:� -users-;:��.�•�-..�,.s�. ,.._ _ . . _ • -: _ _. - - • -- _ - - - - - - - Dave= Stu � - _ -- - _. .. - - - - - - - - _ .. ._ .. - .. - - _ _ - _w_. w.ri.w-�y� _.. au rr�ty—S�rr rt =ra�r:--- - -- ._ ✓„ _• .� Glen Paul_ _..-. • - - - - -- _ • .. _..._ _ .. . .. - • ... _ - r �-••'� -' .1. - ... ..__�:AY-- � -_ --__ - - _ ...- _ -- .ter.i�.� ... .. _• ..fir . ..__.._r.. _ �f.....-.._. ... ..... .`...fir. -- -. - ry -. _ - _ .. _• -- - _•._ .� • • • 720654 • • it Mr. Hammond : You may recall that we discussed at an informal manner with you a few weeks ago , this pro- posed development and to date all have copies of maps - - - 0lhausen : Burman , do you have any extra copies of that - - - - . Mr . Lorenson : I ' ve got a jillion plats , I 'm having a little trouble - - - Mr. Hammond: Located on the south side of U.S. 34 . It ' s approximately , how far - - approximately 1 mile into the Weld County from Larimer County on U . S. 34. The development as you see before you there on the plat , rep- resents what Hogan and Associates have drawn up . I be- _ eve M re t r•o _ i r Shupe i s prep _ - • �. � -ham h o � : - s prov -:-e am be ox� : aK - - - - _ - Planri.ing -C'6mmi_as:ion r- "T ~yat<;: ' _ =ria.tE`: h:at:�. r -:Iri-t -s : e := ._._..... _. ...-.-.�.�.r`...•"'r"�?t'-"'Cis.:'. .a.44. :::.±4 i fill ire=the r.i slatura1 :-2or - We .h e a= . .:yam. .. _ . .=�. --;,�'=� - - '=� !•71fra�-'faTer: an.:a b.o u t :alt alp � .� • - - N11 ,4;-.S-4u4•e. 1._:esen. wha. -;eha- a 00 a� ou s ' r:►r . - Mr . Shupe : Thank you . From an engineering standpoint , there are two or three things that are some- - __.. _ VI hat unique-- about this art Iar.. - _,. _ --�w_ _.i•. �{ — _p �� ._.�a_r��l r_ On�__:1eff1,1_Chr �.=5 . . . �. -- i e``wh ch::goes:th-Edit g:h::::vie-13ro-par.t_yf �ti� a.n� -- -., ` _ :_�- — _ :�. v=im - goes through at a converging angle . The Farmer ' s Ditch of course also goes through but is in scope relatively minor compared to other two problems . Mr . Nix_ You speak of pipelires , is that the gas line? Mr. Shupe : Yes , hu-huh , Sinclair Pipeline , it' s • a supply pipe line and it lies some 30 to 50 inches below the surface and the line which you see here was actually staked in the field by them and located by us relative to the property lines by survey , so this does represent an actual location rather than just a schematic kind of lay- out . The area has a lovely view of the mountains off in this direction , the whole panorama and we tried to take that into account , however , the basic situation here - was to solve these two problems . In talking with the utility suppliers , it was presented by them that they preferred to have an additional easement beyond the ditch and pipeline easements where ever those lines -did not coincide , or did coincide , I mean that with rear lot lines . So you will note on here , for instance , along in here , an additional __ S boa€- easement This is: for utility purposes so-- that- a- - _they tfo not share easements with either e-ne of_these - - eaturs ,. a�td= the note oh "tire util its plat here , for :instance , this 13 . foot one- is used by tL.e, telephone comp- _�= ny_o =6otfi_sides - crossing . We have discussed the ttrati=on 4f=arti 1 i ti es of tip the superintendent for the Gr-eei-ey-Loveland Ditch , with the , I have talked with the ditch r}der for the Farmer ' s Dttch . This mo.'nitlg I talk- ed With the Sinclair people and there appear to be no real problems involved in crossing their utilities so long - - well. , Mr._ Moser , _the ,ditch- _rider, for the Farmer' s Ditch , 34t. tt this qay , he sat•d we have no objection to your Gros s tt[c as -longas your crossing .is big enough to accept the .� torn _drainage in case of a major storm, and we certainly would concur to that . We are not interested in building a dam , but we do intend , it is our intent to replace this old bridge over the Greeley-Loveland Canal with one here and -2- • Y ' tnere would be another one there . Utility service is by the REA , by the Little Thompson Water District , by Moun- tain Bell , don ' t have much choice there , and the gas ul - timately would be Public Service Company. The roads are all within your standards for right-of-way width , slope , grade . There are no significant drainage problems really as you can see , and a drainage study was submitted to the County Engineer some time past , a month ago or a little more , and the canals as they presently do , will continue to accept the storm drainage . Mr. Bowles : Let ' s stop right here . I just got through reading the letter from the attorney for Greeley- Loveland Ditch Company and in it he states that , "We ' re not going to let any water go in that ditch . As a result , = - = tie cc�tipa has_ equ`Yreika c : wa T`t retuVre. alb __r-ur14!co_f --- w _t_ea^s. :.whl.�fx'_a e--aragme:�te.cl4lf^aui _storDr�.d .] ge and i*:611n-'=-_. .e _ _ �s-*paved =.'st�reets__an. •a•ved O)d—roofed_ - .r. •_ 1+1r:_ fie:-~ We'1 l., _:th '�s- sometfr tg :.134.a�rd....�ew to me._� .L-Tj-ust ta.tk:esi-..with thei r Super .nteid.ent this.;-morning _ - - .._.�.: ::-_. -•- --__::� ��=i-nd .�ate� t#�a•i '�here w�tt�:d��-i;-.. be�-thy.�_.prem:-;at:=a•Z3---_-,.- Mr . Bowles : Their attorney says differently , so this is an unresolved problem at this point . - et5on M. fie-717, -than s a.;cus tame ry - _ _: ;T:f �.e._r _ _r_ JPeo�Z: u# rt-dry_ 1anc • gation to stop all run-off water : If any of that water i runs into the system - - - Mr . Bowles : Did the developers consider putting the ditch , tiling the whole thing , and eliminating the ' J ' • • • r , problem? Mr. Shupe : If you ' ve looked at the Greeley- Loveland Canal lately , I think perhaps you recognize that as being a bit facetious . That' s an extremely large ditch . Frankly , this problem is entirely new to me , be- cause I did talk with the Superintendent as recently as this morning , and was not made aware of, at that time, that problem. He , in fact , indicated to me that at pre- sent the waste water from the irrigation off this field was collected in a ditch and discharged in a ditch up - against the canal and we provided for that in our 90 foot • easement and it discharged into the ditch all in one point. So this is , I have no explanation for that particular - - _ __. .. . _ -- Mr.-•Via tson : -_roil_re- not:"kno1.17-edg.lied51i a�Q� -t-ter, f 5 =ttrat `right? - - -, _ - — - - - - - - - ₹—havierer-seer : �"' for -•_. . _. ...._.,:. Mr..:Watson It' s. .dated today_. -.. • - - M�'►P • - Who•::_i s-.thei--r atto'rney� + - .. -- t'r. Bowles . Mx. Southard • Mr. Watson : Southard and Southard. .., - _ i _ - - _ _ .._..- . Mr . 0 �r'aas �_ f�e1 :.1. 13. tfte'�.r. - _ P - . e _ _pert-a�><�r��•_w�" _resol t".`�i`i• ere sz- no question about that . Mr. Bowles : Because if you can ' t discharge into it , your going to have a bit of a problem because your going to he forced to ei ther retain the ?'later or carry i t across , which looks like it would be quite a , I don ' t know how you -4- • • could do that. I guess you could , you ' d have to build some flumes across it , I think it' s what they suggest. Mr. Shupe : Well , obviously you still have to have some place for it to go . Mr. Bowles : Right. You just can ' t put it over in the next lot , it looks to me like. Mr. Shupe : Well , as I say , I , this letter comes as a , as a distinct shock to me because, because of my con- versatIbn -this- morning with Mr. Wilson; their. SuRerintendent. It' s entirely opposite of - - - of what he said. Mr. Bowles : The letter states that the cross- . - . : ns:.--on__the-,_d.itc.h were- agr'�=eab-le�:_tritt—the:-y- had _a .fee bc�t r.: _ - -- __ - - — - r �• cross�n��-MO hed -b lg r.. :_ wer nt goi-ng=toy accept any = - _� _ -,. _ C _ ` - ..:: • _ __. ma��-th:a:: �...�u3.�., .� � s=.. ;P;f4#kg.�� ..—ate-_..n,m.,_ .•. could even-: b - done by open cut a-s they :were__d�� E - - _--.. - s3 _ t 1 - -- -1 V G1 W$ o ul_31=--nom: -x`w?' �s.r7i�j ' i t € 1 e e dr rag 'rr • - --- - - be worked oc „ - - - _r _ - Mr:. Shupe :- Well , obviously it' s not satisfactory - comes: 7 _ resume• that a .. - _�-=fir'`.`"��. ._.,_r -.- _ ��,�=' _.�_�.y:,�•--_,.;��.- _ --- - - _��_ .�; .-: �.• that .was-sent_..t..a_�b _ ao-, o:ri" i.: n.oty _=-.' r _ - - - - _ _ �- = - Pir Nix: y ao you have_.a commitment--from thet1 e . Thompson? Obviously. Mr . Shupe : Yes , we do - - - in fact all of the utility companies has indicated by it ' s - - - -by the Util - ity Board , has approved it and the location of the easements . • • • Mr. Nix-: Have you a letter stating , a letter to that effect from them? Mr. Shupe : From the Utility Board? Mr. Nix : No , Little Thompson . Mr. Shupe : Yes , from Mr. Fagan . Mr. Watson : Do we have that? Mr. Olhausen : I don' t think you do , you simply have the Clearance signed by - - - • Mrs Shupe:. Yew, you have the Clearance Record - -.:. signed ..by Mr. Fagan.. Mr. 01hausen : There is an 8 inch line that was laid-•6 feet ; 6 .inch line that ' s adjacent to this . . .. .. _ - - -�-wr .r-•. ..._. x�. _ a._ -:_. Mr. Lorensci. The U-tili_ty- Boa rdoPhas a-pproved_. #_ on the r� nar l.at at the r ht _- _ *� g . . Mr:. Shupe : • Yes , i t i s trU understands ng that they aid ask us to draw all the easements specifically on tRe � ._- p, e 1 �.ltri n a-ry 1 a--� wh i c n I h a v e�a�r�~a n d� t hey �-� �r crrr� .. . �..� -r _ �.: _ ->- _ _: the preliminary plat now . - -=- - --- t Mr. Bowles : What , er, have the perc tests been run? Or any of this stuff been submitted to the Health Department? - - _ - : - - - _ _ ,_ - -- - _ Shtree:= -less thy," :th aearanee-..Reeor-a i ncIu'de-al so a si gna,tu_re by th-e_: County tani tari an and the note on here , percolation tests , which were run on the prop- erty and the results listed beside them. Mr. Bowles : Glen , have you been asked to submit -6- G a letter to the County, or have you done it on this one, on the septic systems on this thing? Mr . Paul : No , we haven ' t submitted a letter, Mr. Bowles : You checked the peres have you? Mr. Paul : There ' s only one there that ' s a little , but it ' s within the 60 minutes . Mr. Nix : What about the School Board approving it? Mr. Shupe: This is the other one that Mr. Lorenson commented regarding - - • Mr.- Lorenson : I just don ' t know what their com- - - 1.--7:me . s--4-rill- I -rece ed a ea f�� them , frpm their t--ki s trip - 4 • 'r...y -.naafiww.cf�3+ea._w:,i�1c7sr.�b�"``� ₹ .-.s�7Y'*. ac�.-�. -.�c� *-+"tea _ '�..` �e�a�" - .... __. .�== anal t#� adm�_ st ator �a} d m k- - use same sow- _ —t ri it = a-.b-t �� - s , ' and e�" d = ent4-a-r -Bsi ='thr� were vet •:��ct-_tbetadtas :no`itaarG -aci<3��. _ 7r. --Watson :- Has the tiv tr.an firingcome f-�-om 7-_=" �.. • r a, �.- - _ _ - - .. Mr Loren so'r� Yeah ;"'; _I can find ,,,.the- 1_etter; is- dated Dec . the 3rd when-, the l---e-guest was made and they da• say that they will review it on Jan . the 12th meeting by their Planning Commission . They may or may not have made a tafff-:_�-e'view :of :it-but`the P-Lanrr-tng- mY-ssion y •- .. e_s��- �;:?a t tip-�1.2,t h h a t- - Mr . Shupe-: - There' s a little bit of a problem -`- there in that they meet only once a month and you people meet twice a month and they cancelled their December meet- ing . So that it ' s been nearly two months then since they 'A �gy m. r. - tV a a.ww�'. d‘-.111:?, .as .%• - actually had a meeting . Mr. Bowles : Well , 1 et ' s see. One item is short- ening the roads as shown . Where ' s this? Mr. Lorenson : It ' s the plat that is before Mr. Nix . Ignore the black lines and look at the red lines . These are cul -de-sacing certain areas and by the cul -de- sacing , we estimate that there is a savings of approximate- ly 1600 feet of road. The County , will at some time , if it accepts the original plat , will be responsible for the main- tenance of that additional 1600 feet of road . Mr. Shupe : It ' s my understanding , correct me if I'm ,wrong , that Mr. Ewing: is, _not too- terribly- much - - _ Mr. Lorenson: He ' s not excited aboutethem. No , _he doesn ' t like them. Mr. Shupe : _ They- pose for him, some difficulties ,�. - - �rtE_ firms -o-f maintenance , which ,which , I don' t know f- rankly , .itbetherr.they offset the point your--raising ar--not'. But -I — --Ter-know- that he feels somewaht that way. He ' s less than or excited about cul -dt.sacs . - : Frankly , on a de± ily of this kind, that has very low densities , I am not too sure that cul -de-sacs are all that necessary. For - - _- Mr. Lorenson : I don 't think it '.s so much a point a 'F ofnecessity of cul -de--sacs_ is that -tax- payers jci the - IFtlire �}1l be required to pay more for?road maintenance simply because there was not a different design which made the road shorter. Mr. Shupe : On the other hand , suppose Mr. Ewing ' s conjecture is correct , that it cost more to maintain a cul - de-sac . - • • Mr . Bowles : Well , the other - - - Mr. L_orenson : I don ' t think he maintained that. Mr . Bowles : I was trying to get to a guy ' s place that I was only a quarter of a mile from it and I drove two miles and never got there . I vowed I ' d never vote for an- other cul -de-sac , so - - - Mr. 01hausen : I think - - - --_,----= -1-::&t-=44r.--Baynes 3 lfseT mit-atin•g: problem. .F - :' ..- Mr. 01 hausen : The other point that should...be dis-._.._.._ . cussed , we did have several layouts and one was , had an ex- �_ -._ emu a - utab-er ��r l-s_ ,i f_ acrd .-.j-e owne � w ..-#4La-t.�_3 � .-_ == -. - ��. _- e 'h e b r-d� t the -r o rt g h=d*it - a hd p r �e fe_� - _ - - -..._.0, Da s-- - - -- - -- -- --sift=flare t•o: thts ff�w--- i t-d-aes 'time - atou :te: o- f-7.ca1itre•�sttt_,. ant# I: -�hil k::cdite1'n1;-. --give--w-an-t :ta.:.--onSider-• w• t-� ire morc - d es i rah.]�,..�.. -..., a.;--P:�:anr�i�ng�s tar3�ipa:i�.t �� So::t• -• �.�- -i e�_o-w rIe t -: �^y-.-j.,/�-�•_p-�. � __ :_• ,�..,,. �� C-�Q...-��'= �.,.,r�, ..-- ---r'-' --__.- -- ----,�-� _� ,A.; d`�`:ii!`�_ �.'�..:!��r= �.�r .CLU .`"i-3 ..6,4-_ FE •��r� - -''.t..1.--":-.''''.." Tfa•n:ll-Itatate:Verses:=-Gu1i•iliErS"ats-, -,zvefe-�•haugli 70 '47 si�y f-•- - _.. _ _ .w.-M =me - - - --.L,.:,_,-.1. --_-,5-7.-;-:..,—.,- - - ,a. .a _- aga: • - :trig--t=s.-_that .j o•r_pt_ . 4 m _ _ _-_ - - = - .._______:..T. - --•=---:.. _ ,?�- ,.. -��-- =- = mad . .. . :::�-�=.��_ --- - - -- - _ . . .. -. . _ -_- —_ - - - --- - -- - :f.__. _::--.-._ . 't':. : . .::... - T - - . -_.. _ _..- _: .Mr:.:,�fiap h:is.; tlx:#:s . S a laio.i =s =. =cQvrse- + done on a . di ff-erent tensity, a dens-i-ty_ commensurate -with- the proposal that we started with. but this has a lot.-of =cul de=, :.-.77 -.. . . - . -.:sacs«=-:•1-t'.s* o co-iip b-tEt--Wfit�71-1t13 b: iii..;:. - -'.-7---• . •._ sue; v • -. --. -ex r_es3ed. : f-- '•_-::.--_'= . - :- � =�':, 7 _ -�:-= - . _ -K- _. P - -fie_�-e -. . - . : . _ -_ -_.�a .�._- � u - — -_ - _ - - _. - - Mr . Watson : It looks like your ignoring your ditch right-of-ways , even here , in here , I mean especially your Farmer ' s Ditch . Mr . 5nuQe : Inaudible . . • • Mr. Watson : In laying out your lot design , you have ignored the right-of-way , haven ' t you? Mr. Shupe : I think not . We , we have changed the , the - - - Mr. Watson : I mean you ' ve got - - - Mr. 01hausen : relocate this , John . Mr. Shupe : Relocate the - sides . In other words - - M:r- 83flaiisen . =these a re-•b •g.lsats-. The house would go here . So we ' ve relocated the ditch along the front. - - _ - Mr. Bowles:- What ' s the relocation of that ditch - going to do on your potential nerc tests on those when you do that? You ' re going to have a new ditccS bed - it' s very- _ - - Mr. 0lhausen : It ' s very close le the same one , AP _ere_'-ve actually-, you know , ;lust. straightened it out except _ fo-r . this-corner. Even that isn_t necessary , you can See _ gat buildable sites on each one of these . _- Mr . Shupe :--.- - that- are not affeirteck_by the re- �' _ location at all . The , with one this size , the only thing you can do is back lots up against it. Mr . -Watso-r:: I -wa'sn going to say , you havetr`t q rxt Fe rte `that , =rea'1°l9 , ha-ve .:yo:u? - _ _ - - _ Mr. Shupe : Yes . All of these are lots that back up against it and they are considerably deeper, you see they are 250 feet deep , 60 feet of the 90 foot right-of-way comes off this side , 30 feet off this side . -10- • , . 40- Mr. Anderson : This mineral reservation doesn ' t keep you from building on - - - does it? . Mr. Shupe : No , as matter of fact , that' s the way that is expressed in the deed , is that , if any thing is built in that at such a future date as the railroad would deem it necessary to mine it for coal , that they would ac- cept the responsibility of supporting any and all struct- ures on it. I think it' s pretty obvious that a little strip this long and 200 feet wide , is probably never going to be exercised on that basis . Because it' s just never going to be economical . - '-•-Mr: Watson:` Not very often'-' - - :1- 7i_l_;, _ • Mr. Shupe: Very seldom. '_.: `-� = - = ,. - -= _ ��- ---- - Fir. Watson : I don ' t remember every seeing it i - - - --_ _ r_e -=•n ar r aw strip . _.. �,, • _ ._ _ _ . qtr. Shupe : I suspect- probably- �What.. -s - - - that-�rt eras dedicated to them at one time for a right-of.; -W. - - .. �.-_: � rap_1y: :retai-n-ed.__ tS :_su.bsu�a face mi neral.�-res-— ---_ -.._- _ _ - _._ _ . _ -- -.:.--.-- w.b,_3=e _u e e d i n g_ back t h e- _nn: g:..a s__r:7 q ham-o-f kra�r - - - Mr. Bowles : Well a t' looks to me le tha# at - jr- - _ - _ _.... - _ . -yy ._ --- tii ol-nt-Nr;yoa`-ve: got a line- drawn across :unt1l : you__get :- _ : toge�tter _with -the ditch company . Since their letter o6= - - ..::.. : : _: _:_viou§-ly isn' t going to permit you to submit a drainage _ . .... . _ - .' _ l -,uni 3 Kivu :.6: r: _.resoT v °_samethi n with them,__so ::tha-t _ ae; _. a .�- s�d_.�_ � - - _ - .i a v e o�;-c.n i e g[t _ age pGt 9 �- _.w� r -. .-,7::-.._:-;...., . jc. . ... -774`i!`5-7--:--• �t,•f�e-—enTlineer _s 6-you re- .going to - have- to•-•'prQtia� _ _ -- _ ;- - - - ly- redo the whole drainage study , it look to me like. Mr. Shupe This would appear to be the case , on the basis of engineering , yes . -11 - • Mr. Hammond : Mr. Bowles , could I ask a question? One of the problems that ' s faced the developers on the pro- ject is the fact that with the cost that you have to go in- to , to provide the utilities and the roads , you get so much cost per acre for so much cost per lot with these on the development cost and it has been discussed about the feasi- bility of going into a Planned Unit Development where we would be discussing smaller lots but because of the cost factor , you could provide , for example , your own sewage disposal treatment plant and do away with the problems that I know you all have in your minds so far .as septic tanks and .leach fields and storm drainage and what not. The de- velopers feel that if the Planned Unit Development proced- ure is undertaken , that they could provide their own sew- ge disposal_ plant so that it would eliminateentirely the - cru stians that you might have So far as lagach fields and septic tanks . It would also solve the" problem we are talk- ti#f -ab-rvt so far as the ditch compan s concerned; and I - _ . _ce-rtainly can understand their problems.— ve, met with the _ a number of times and I think their requests by and large - z- astrcable and I think tksey.=do havve:-a...p.roblem. I thinl _- that-problem- can_be solved if this rode is taken by fl um- se :1 i=ng over the ditch aR9d making: other- methods oT-.disposal - for waste slater . I- think- the qu-esti.on comes dorm as to , if you all would be favorably disposed to consider a Planned Unit 11eslopte-nt.__., If- nthis. m,et th, p-raper .planning that would fi_treto-__wa- info it-,_ many of _these problems that you' re try- ing`io._get _away• front and the_ subdivisions of this type in *1/4 the County , could be solved . Mr. Bowles : Well , but not on this ditch stuff. It don ' t make any difference what you build there , the Plan- ned Unit Development would probably only mpound if you - • 1 • • increased the density. They are saying your not going to dump any water in that ditch . Mr . Shupe : The owners have done some studies along this line and also , probably from a somewhat higher density , could afford to provide a school site . Mr. Bowl es : The thing is , that you haven ' t come to us with a Planned Unit Development . You ' ve come here, and all we ' re saying is , that ' s O. K. , but you ' re going to :have to submit a drainage study. And all I ' m -saying is , - - - '-• N... : hL� ..th is.13G .� in.:yea .�. r saritaRtin,,. �e'srtr ' . _ - n have • . tey.¢ ~,guys. are,":going=..to-..have ;ta:. get'.#age:th,er'.wit_h 'the ..&it.c.h_ _ a�sl,' it—±O 9p,= �ltcl. - ;s.fl.a ..�,.+._. - _, _ t4.r. .�Shupe: Yes,. th _,s app:ar.-ent:::;_�Y .. .:_v_: --�-.-::.'"._—Z � *44 _ - ..� _._:JTM%^riJ__w- _ �_•Mr_-r.... _ _- - NFrtY-T - '.r.r_'• - r S�•�•�w'!�Y'•.L_�- ...-.._T.-__..__ _ _ _. _ _ _-•.. .....:._- -�.......Jim�..•.;. - B - - - - - -Owles - _ I -tee tresi—m;_.r ti j:ay o _:al_1.: ' ��E--_ - - -- - - _ - .. - ---_- _ t _dQ_ Prvblbly_ .st:a: _ `' =II:Veri:fi`the':dra:i na'g -- _ .Cl� d tit om aYy,;..�yo -ic o. r, d. (RI b,rT:�. ~ _. _._ ; - _ - •_ - - - -- "410- WO e e irte.-1 i - - --- - -_ - -- g�-- -s.. �.�r�� =�.. i��...me. r e e s�,,,tne.er7_a_ -_- _ _ - .:.: . — ,.�-... . --- - - .r,i�.t�-°�. - _ - -_ - w�#»"err— ea Is ' .:�-. :-�-, We l'rd es t- ' " - - - _ t h a :amm•o n d._ s a 49-,---•t_ ' ,--a s- het her,.. ... people are -i ncl i•ned to be,_'Favor.abl:y- disposed- toward- . Per. Bowles : Well , that' s a leading question as - ..you_r_. 3tt.g.tthey .wi11_..te1 1 .=:jiau� W.e rre_not go-01g -to= say whether: ".T_' _. _ �e -�.:e: •nclined. r�n • - :.. _.. .�._ - - - s - _•_ =-u s a.ii d May - �_.... us_a and then F • be this will look great . -I- think , my f=eeling - - Mr . Lorenson : Wel i , Per. Chai rman , I don ' t have to be put in a position that you do , so I ' d like to respond to some of it . Although a Planned Unit Development generally is great near a town , but the density not only requires sewer and water service , but it also requires all the other services that you ' d expect out of a municipality , and when you reflect back on the policy passed by this Board , the Land Development Policy , was for that very purpose of not creating new detached settlements that did not have all the services of all these towns spread out in the middle of no- where , which I feel that this is in a sense , that would lead us right back to that same problem. Sure they handle the sewer and water , but what about the police? And you _go 'right down the line , tire fire protection , etc You increase the density three times on this , to three times this number of units , and you ' re creating yourself a new community there . That new community -creates brand new problems in which the .County: is unable to anspier , service wise , and therefore _I. ' feel that the policy that you have adopted as a just and and should be _followed. -- " 11r ' Bowles Well , fine . All I ' mscay rs , that- r• -- - -aa tV s point'; you' ve got to provide a. drainage study for- . ._ -- #-s ga.i_ng to this letter from the Glitch_CORI any will certainly alter your drainage study ej}gineer - _ - Mr. Shupe : Yes., it does . Mr . Bowles So, - - - - - '- - Mr . Hammond If we might ask-, is there , are _ 4 fhere -a-my other questions that you Save so that `at'such tinresmthe drainage study is presented , we can hopefully- - answer other questions that you have or haven ' t done in one hearing? Mr. Bowles : At least no questions at this point that I have anyway , other t'ian where that water , - - - - - •• dr . . oxice you give us a drainage study and the people around see where that water is going to go , then you may have a lot of questions to answer , but we don ' t , nobodys asked them of us at this point. Mr. Hammond : But you see my point. I mean if we ' re going to come with - - - -certainly fair, I think , that we would hope that we would be able to answer any other questions that you have , I take it that if there are none , that we assume that the obligation is to present an acceptable drainage study and _program and if that's done,; y - . th hie a-e iithe quectiOr afis what I wasIto-13tIrg Mr. Bowles . Non@ known at this point anywa 'Mr. _... _- ., ... -.. - . _.. -.: a son:.. _This -�s 1 dry land at the re-s .-,- -._•_ _ttme.,„, 1's-- hat_ rfglit? __--- _ - -_ -'- �--- -•:•-_.r -- " - - ---- ---. .. - - - -...-,.-...-----=,----- - - - -_,___,----7.---:-.-:-...._-_-_-_---- - - _ Mr. Ham -- mond : _.. NO •s. - �#:t t :1 t •is n'I-r .. ---F.-,.€,=-•-.-:.,:-..-.---_-.7:-.. . -,-,...,•-.....--..-----,:,..---- - - - - - T. ��..._... _ - - - _ „ := . "; Amalfi - - .••-- :_y.�-�•-•.��.�-z�aehw�.--..:L. _. . _ -tea -�-_ .�r��:'•�-.�.._ -•. r. Hammond : I would say-that ulrtualty_!_eY-pry �- _ '_. f l east. s. da rr€- # a - _ 1--.�_� -x-7- _ ... -. - _. u-b is a1-1. .dry _land . --�- -_� _- _• -. - - - _ • _ _ - : z - -_ .-= . . .14�.Rat • Igo; _I-. h _ - mealt:s" iin14.- m-tic h~.oaf_-this pare e.l. of • ground is dryland? - _ Mr; ..�: Hai �`.."l.JT_T- t•--- -- d�� _t1yVy�y�'4�.iac {� '- is�i s rrr•i gated gro.0 - _ _ -- _- --- - Mi�e.SR u.p P'� .i - �a�.t••refer-tere d 4 t -_---- = .��r- _ - — - _ c ,. .a 1 _ - Mr. Watson : From the Greeley-Loveland system? On crater stock of the Greeley-Loveland? Mr. Shu_Ee : I think so , because the ditches come off parallel , there ' s a diversion stream - - - . dr • Mr. Nix : Now many acres ? Mr. Shupe : Just there , just off of the edge of the property. Mr . Watson : Well , do the developers know , do they own any stock in the Greeley-Loveland? Mr. Hammond : There is water rights , I don' t have a listing of them right now. Mr. Stobbe : We have purchased certain water rights with the property and I can ' t honestly tell you whether or not it ' s the Greeley-Loveland or not . Mr. Yes , I ' m sure . Mr. There would be drainage . Mr. Lorenson : There is substaal irrigated land: - f Of 146 , I ' d estimate about 100 of it s iwr•egated and they' v well , this was determined through the- AsItssor' s office re- cords . The land has high value , agricultural . Inaudible . dr Mr. Skye : _ There ' s ,a. pumr`at thSpiint , also . cla Mr . Hammond : You ' re getting off the far -edge of it . I think this all used to be dryland . Mr. Watson : It ' s got a lift pump.. on it. Mr. Shupe : Yeah , that pump sits right here , atli this diversion - - - Mr . Hammond : The only thing that ' s grown under irrigation above the ditch here is what Mr. - - - said - - - - 16- r Mr. Watson : This is where the Greeley-Loveland set their policy in 1970. So much land from here into Greeley has been put under sprinkler and it' s becoming a real silt problem and that ' s exactly why they' re saying that this land here is being , I ' m sure , that I ' m surprised , that they don ' t have some retention ponds now that , they' ve just been overlooked . Mr. That ' s right. Inaudible . Mr. Hammond : This was all dryland - - - the only thing about that and they' re getting to be quite concerned about the pumping . Mr. Watson : That ' s true . --:- _a - — Mr_ Hamircuuk;_. lire there any _other iget"ians that you all have? Is there any other items that you don' t ap- I prove of? - g Mr . Shupe : Qn:e thing that I think I should men-- 4..11-- tion here then , is that the Highway Department , the question AN- was asked when this wes- submitted to the Utii"items Board. " .4 er At that time we did, not know how much the FIT. hwa,y Uepart— ment wanted . They had told us they might want as much as 150 , they for sure wanted an additional 100 , so that ' s what we showed on the plat that was submitted to the Utilities Board . We have sine gotten confirmation €'ram•- them than ki they want the whole_-_1-5g ea that ' s what's- mew sirown`on the preliminary plat . Mr . Watson : Is this , is this an existing - - - that you purchased? i-ir . Shupe : Which? This ? IL ' s in existence now -17 • - — and they have a - - - - here . Mr . Watson : Did they get their easement there? Mr. Shupe : The highway? Inaudible . Mr. Hammond : Cause this has been out for - - - Mr. Watson : They' ve owned that a long time . Mr. : - - - - years . Mr. Watson : Oh , is that right? Mr. Shupe : This is the configuration that they show now with a 32 foot median , er a 62 foot median , and a 250 foot right-of-way now . But at any rate , that has �ifeeri resol ve'd with them and appears as they = i34tfit nn this plat . 1 Mr. Lorenson : You may :rant to go down an4 res-olve - the items - - rather than , if the drainage is the only concern making sure that ' s the only concern . a Shup-e : =This would be very help-art to us . r Mr . Bowles : O . K. We ' ll go down through these items . Letter of approval from the Greeley-Loveland Irri - gation Company proposed easements and crossings . O . K. , you don ' t have that so -that ' s something you 're going to- - 4r- haves to get , number one . ft 50 to at right of stay eri the east section .line. Is this ? Mr. Olhausen : We have that . Mr. Shupe : We ' ve shown that easement . Mr. Bowles : O . K. , that ' s shorn . I must have io • • tkipped item two . A letter of approval from the Farmer' s Ditch of proposed easements and crossings . That' ll have to be obtained . Approval of the drainage report by the County Engineer, drainage based on two year storm is insufficient and the Greeley-Loveland Irrigation Company , 0. K. , that ' s a big item. Mr. Shupe : In conjunction with that, might I ask if the County is developing a standard in this regard , as to what size of storm ought to be used? Mr. Olhausen : Let' s ask the County Engineer. Mr. Shupe : 0. K. Mr. Watson : Yeah , I think I think he' s thinking hard , but I don ' t think - - - - Engineer. Mr. Bowles : - O. K. ' Item 5 , s tic system approved __.�-by- the Health.. Department , we ' ve al re �dy bee' told that that-.- - ‘1 ~ 1.6tter.. will be sent. Review by the Larfater Planning , you :sa-y- _.that ' s going to be done- on January 12th. Shortening ofd : ... the, roads as shown . I think that your drainage study itself ' -- - mi.gh_t_ charge the road pattern . - ---- - Mr . Shupe.:- It ' s coricievab1e . Mr . Bowles : A guy wouldn ' t want to finalize the roads so that ' s going to have to be an up-in-the air item -- t ll the drainage report ' s -done. Before final platting , a Thompson Valley Water- District f - .do�E�stte =service; - 0 . -K: Mr . Lorenson : I did not that that ' s before final platting , not subject to the preliminary plat . Mr. Bowles : O . K . , so I think that ' s the - -• - -19- • • . Mr. Olhausen : How about the cul -de-sacs and the discussion on the planning , how much consideration does the Board want to give there? Mr. Watson : The other copies? .Mr. 01hausen : Yes , the other - - Mr. Lorenson : You want to look at them again? Mr. 01haus.en : Yes , suggested layout there - - - Mr. Watson : Actually it' s a savings to the developer. • Mr. Shupe : Oh , well , you - - -look at it? You get i nto drat page Pro b1 ems -, � • . --- — .�_ •wc--�-rte-- ..� • .▪ :-.4.,...7,..;:--,,-,,-,-,,-tea�-13.�^* :-•• �.• -•r---,,.�- _ ._ � M.r.. 8ammart�d _ �bau^� get .ng. ₹i rg . -- - .t r u:�to �- - ss _ - : 7.-_-.....t......--."..,,--..-.....-.-,-...,;.,-. ---- - _ - - _ ..-+- - -. -_ -...- Mr- =-Shupe rroty� .s- _}Oil -rd-Mr:: -•Ew=iiig�i fir • - - _ . :*.i:• -..:".-77:',---77,77-7:- -._.-._7 _- .. — -..--1-_,-.._-.7,7-_-'4_-:_-_-",::,- - :.".r. ..;.. Mr . Bowl eS : My personal feel i-ng at-- this -po-i_nt,�-- ._�- - --• -_ =_-7� w�Td �� k.e- iti-s�t toT see`'-the^ roads ,eft as sui��- � or=s -..... _ . this one... : _ _ Mr. Shupe : This one I see as a potential drain- age problem. - z::- �:w - --- 'M-. `' -, .•'-'7 - tr-..v.a'secY_---_ _ .,� =.'7i:• _ -K - - .r. .�� - - - ----.--±-17,2g._= ?c=- , _.. - -.:,.--r.,:-7:7-•.'_1:-_ -- - =- . — . .._._,..._.. . ..- ..-_.- ..- - -- - - - - - _.. _ - v ,__-- ="`. �= M' .• Bowles: - .Plossibly the drainage rep-or-t t-hou=ler have an alternate drainage report base on this and an alternate on that . What would , how it would affect the drainage . Mr. U1 hausen : WL11 , we ' ll bL happy to at least . -20 - • • discuss these further with Burman , if that would be your wish and work them in with the drainage and perhaps we can hit a happy median there that would satisfy both ends and if that ' s reasonable , we ' ll take that approach . Mr. Hammond : The only concern I would say, in representing the land owner , is that-kinda like Mr. Bowles , that cul -de-sacs are a matter of opinion , and I always find myself at the end here , wishing I was over here . Mr. Bowles : Well , I think that my personal think- ing is that man hours wasted turning around in cul -de-sacs will more than maintain all the additional footage . Mr. 01hausen : We don' t want to create a problem ,_ when we _get to t_he_Commi ssi °Tier ' s l evel , ...._ .. _.- ' `` '� _P�tr aitson; ti-._I�cfontt `_t ank th develbPars 1oo.ld ng, far, you' know, private-;a .:ye:x_cl us tve-= type _'- • they would • have--had cul--de;-sa-cs begi"n""wi the . Mr . Hammond.:: f thi-nk so _- Add the erth��_tiii�g chat , you know , sure if this is what you want , this is what .. —44:9*do- h st -i , ,"u=n 1 4-§•=i---1-1 ` s dor- .. .'. _ •'a. _ — _ - - -_ 'R.-__ X11.-.S - Dom.... ,.. :.. -.�._.'' ...,. •:' __ c -:_ a.y _. ... .__. �-.::w-..r,-..:•:..��.. crucial issue wi - h you these ideas and tho gh.t-s` cast money:" They have to go into engineering and planning , and if that' s necessary , fine , we ' ll do it . If it ' s just something that somebodys thinking about that we' d 1 i ke: to see. on_ .a..fipa: • _ p 1 f - - . ._:�, a t •f so_o -.§-ave.the-- motrey -u►rless t�e ' �e :dic-tateizi_ to-.gv_ to cause of drainage- problems or something. - Mr. Watson : Well , you might find that you have to , altering - - - - . • • .. -21 - • Mr. Hammond : That very well could be this , but the point I 'm getting at , if this isn 't a crucial item and we ' re going to be bound by the drainage situation anyway, I would rather not engage in artistic license here since they ' re paying the bill . Mr. Lorenson : 1600 feet of road isn ' t artistic license. Mr. Bowles : Well , that part 's probably true. Mr. Hammond : Well , I mean , how do you measure this? You ' re still getting down to opinion . Somebody comes out with a fire and the house burns down with three kids in it and the fire trucks here and he 's supposed to be over here. You ' re going, to have, a hard time answering T to t_he people f er' that satLi=_ "iielf ee; re-rnari made--a _ mis-take - Well yes , - he made a_ is-take-S1rt here' s two sides to the coin,. _ T don' t think- it 'Cll one sided - I suppose if this is what you- want ,- fine , -if it isn 't_ a = -- major item, -we would-_prefer- to presznt to you what we--f-eel- is dictated by the drainage problems and in line with what --= ther=e ajp-p ears taThe-a_sattsn to _ -: - _ Mr . Bowles : Well ; we ' ll - - Mr . Watson : I don ' t know , I don ' t think person- ally this, now I 'm just going to, make 'an .observation , - this is pity you're wartting ,__11-4off t th rrrtc the cut -de-.s_a�s esst ttce addrtaa much to _1t to ;go_ a_longmita-some_,_o€ your _ thirkitrg .- 'They are- more-=costly, and- a-s far as maintenance , they ' re more expensive to the County to maintain , the snow removal problem , the school transportation problem. Mr. Shupe : Yes , that ' s sometimes true . • _99_ • • Mr. Hammond : Well the , I take it , if this is fair assumption that we will present back here what then is dictated because of the drainage requirement and that we may have difference of opinion as to artistically and otherwise as to cul -de-sacs , but we ' re not going to have any objection in saying , "Well , we want cul -de-sacs here , here , and here " . Mr. Watson : Yeah , I think you better be on - - - check with them on your drainage . You ' re going to - - water over the top of this ditch - - makes more of a problem for this ditch . Mr. Shupe : We did check with those people , but something ' s obviously going to have to be done that in- T-,.r valves both of them. - - - Mr. Watson: Right . _ _Mr. Shupe : There ' s no way to_ question that and 'we-' r-e- at questioning it, -we' ll ;just fl=at haue to do it , - that . r �_ = Mr Anderson : Mr . Chairman? _ s "Mr. BbwT"es: Well , I think , let ' s ft ave , let's z. leave cul -de-sacs as strictly up in the air , we , I ' m not saying we won ' t ultimately , require them , but at this point it's pot- a _bi'g thing -with me . I ' d .like to see _the drainage sir eeprf't a tFFen-_ha=ve=a second -1ook -at 'cal -de—rate-s _ _Excuse me , E-drer[itt mean -to in€erupt. Mr. Anderson : ~Well , Mr. Chairman , I think you all know as members of the Board , how I feel about these out- lying subdivisions and I agree with Mr . Lorenson in his state ment . We have a policy , therefore I would move that are reject • -23- • • • •- this plan. Mr. Bowles : Do we have a second? Mr. Nix : In view of the fact that we do have a policy , as Mr. Lorenson has brought out , I would like to second the motion . Mr. Hammond : May I ask a question before you vote? Do I take it then that your motion and second is regardless of what is worked out so far as the drainage problems and all that you ' re voting to reject -the plan? Mr. Anderson : Yes sir. That' s correct. .._ .. . .- - - -- _.. .. Mr. Nix : This would be my feeling , Mr. Hammond , :-- t h.a t�&.t, yEoru. II a_v.e �. o f _co u rs-O �. but I w,o t.l =z- �,—.. - - - �e i�� -.aue to ga aga,finst =t. - -- - - ''''';'--=':'''.- v ,w Mr: Hammond Regardl es s of w#ether theIainag ,._ - -- w- - - - - _ - - _ . _ _ :-- _ __ _�� ti- - - -- Now , i t w-��. txnde r� _g_t _ ..` _t-ke- � goq�xsat.ion was gnTng here befar �,mo.t- o-n_ �!~1=- .. __.--. - __ _.. . . - wa:s=-ma-de - that ire-would lig: coirdng-l-ack -before _ydy:-wi th a -- resolution of this drainage problem for your final action that you would take on- -tilt's- before- it goes to the Commis-- - _ - .-;--;:7-.•= _s 1411.-- -_77A.S7� uri-d�ist a u d-=-�t-z-y§1.1- :4116f-i-0 x n -ate��yam=-3.ta-t. ---" - _ - .�.- - -.� rw.r�_1�.—n efTt_:.s:ky�.n-,..-trIre4-3-,� aa.�`�care:. a� aana:_aes_ _,.-:�.. :-- .. .. - - _ _ _ _---- ._��. -- ---- - _.- �r�t�b�em�•- are-'t+ro�l�ed_ o.ut,-=we. re .9�9 ��e-_v.ate-�-o�--�:...._l~�;�s'�;. want it to be clearly -understood what was going on. Mr. Stobbe : We did meet with you gentlemen , about a month ago to explore your intent . And at that particular meeting , you asked us for a very clear uPderstanding that tho intent was to review the subdivision as submitted with- . . • -. . _91_ out an over view with reference to where it was . Today , as I understand your conversation , you ' re indicating that the over view is more important than the subdivision . Now, I ask you this question , why were ' nt we sort of big enough to tell us this at our first meeting a month ago? Instead of inviting us back to review something that is not , philo- sophically oriented toward your thinking? Inaudible. Mr. Bowles : I don ' t think that - - - Mr. Hammond : - - - that, I was with Mr: Bowles here , and all I ' m trying to say , we were supposed to get these things back to you with the suggestions , and I frank- ly don ' t understand the motion . - Mr. Anderson : I think if you will check the last several subdivisions that have comrbefore this Board - and have not been adjacent or within a planowing area of an - ex"-it-trig town , I _have voted against . ? Mr. Stobbe : Based on the location as opposed to ; z the -quality of the subdivision? Mr. -Ar erson : Based on ouae. policy - - - Mr. Bowles : Well , gentlemen , we ' ve got a motion and, a second and before we have a vote , I would like to ex- press": the thing that I don ' t think that the matter of re- jectian at thispoint , is probably in order. I possibly am wrtmg. ` _This is my feeling , anyway. I will , I beliebe it - - rt.; probably in order to go ahead and ask for a vote on the motion as submitted , but I think you gentlemen should , it ' s my opinion and the Attorney ' s opinion , that at this point we are not in a position to reject . We are not - - - - Mr . Connell : They have not even completed their final- submission at this point . The question is on that at this time . Mr. Anderson : This is what we' re trying to keep them from going , to spend additional money which they just commented on . Mr. Connell : Now , the purpose of this Board is to review what is submitted , regardless of policy. It is not a stutute , and policy is not a rule - - - It' s just what it states , it' s a policy , and the law provides that _ . _ - - -- these gentlemen have every right to submit a subdivision plan , and they have not even , at this point , totally sub ,- _ - - - mitted .that plan . To what extent they wish to submit , is up to them , but it should be a final presentation that is _ r -. _ s. Mr. Nix ` Mr . Attorney , I think , I like to be honest frith this , with the way-1 feel about i•� th�, situ _ - at an rfaybe I ' m out of order , Glen , speaking ahead of you , - bd=t r-i_hink it ' s a_very definite mistake to lead these .r ooepl-e on and give them the idea after they present all of _ - - �--5c� ad q�iaPifications and then turn the down . i don s ut" think this is. fair to them , and this i -the h reason I -F- have - . - - -. - Mr. Connell ; I agree , but under the law, they tra right to ma-k�_ a full presentation andayour- denia_l is .. .0 - ' .—ir �:ntya c Sine ndat-icm to the Board .--They are—en-t'S1ed -ro a - .- fair-rr4 ee at ort at this point , and they have not yet cons pleted that presentation . I think they are aware and have been of the problems , concerning this policy that' s being discussed , but the point is , on the presentation today, there are items that do not leave it even in a position for OG _ the Boart- to rule on , as to the presentation made . Mr. Nix : With this , that kind of explanation , I think they understand how at least two of us feel and if they want to go ahead and proceed , why - - - Mr. Connell : Yes , but Mr. Nix , I have to feel how the court ' s going to understand how we felt when we got there , too . Mr. Nix : 0 . K. You may have to go to court. Mr . Connell : I, think we= probably will - Mr. Nix.. I think it's- a darn- high time that we -=_ get-to court and find out where we stand. . There ' s no- use in batting our head against the wall her Mr. Bowles : Do I have a withdrawal of either of, Tao I have a withdrawal ? - _ ` -= - Mr. Nix : I ' ll withdraw mine . _ - - - .ir Mr. Bowles : The second has been withdrawn . Mr. Anderson : _ :. - - I move that we table this . Mr. Glatson Second . _ 'c Mr. Bowles : 0 . K. It ' s been moved and seconded that the application be tabled pending the additional drain- age=study_which has been- agreed upon. We ' ll vote on it then _ - Mr. Stobbe: - - - - of the courtesy of the .:. Board before our case is dismissed this evening . Mr. Bowles : You may . Mr . Stobbe : What I would like to do is present • • • th-e company involved , I would like a very clear reflection of your views with reference of the plan in writing for our files so that we know specifically what you ' re objecting to , what your recommendations are , and what you ' re suggesting to make us an acceptable version in terms of the County's ordinances . Mr. Lorenson : You ' re referring to the Planning Commission - - Mr. Watson : I think you just have to read the ordi-nances and we went through these things , I don ' t think that you need anything more from us than that. Mr. Telep can answer your question better on that. a -r- Mr. Hammond : I believe the Planning Commission has made itself clear on -the items that we went down on #e list of-what-things have .So be_ firmed upt-- - Mr. Watson : Right , �- Mr_ Hammond : - - and how things -stand. If I ' m a not mistaken , this is the attitude of the Commission as of this point . Mr. Watson That'_s the only atti ibu- c-an - take at this point . ( Inaudible ) . You ' re not here to get a decision , I think that ' s why you saw the withdrawal just made . _ Mr. Stobbe_-__ I- u-la_cfrst,antT, I-3ppre Cie tsistour• oo= sitiort, but -I wouTc� .Tike somethin-g,=so -I could p3-r down '. -- exactly what we ' re talking about . In other words , if you find the drainage is improper , if you could state that in some letter from the County to the Company . If you find that there is something else in the plan that you find not -23- i • s in keeping with your best interests , if you could give us an idea what that is , not verbally , but in writing so that I can reflect this to our people . I think - - - Mr. Connell : - - - couple of weeks - - - at this point . Mr. Bowles : No , I don ' t think we ' re going to do that , I was going to bring this out. Mr. Connell : I think they have , as your council has stated , pretty well set out the items that , one primary item is the drainage which was created not by you or by the Commission but by the ditch company itself, which refuses to allow any further contribution of water in that area . I thi_nk�this _i-s_ _probably the__,eentral problem- at- this . poitnt , -.- -- - -- - - .- - - ivMr. Lorenson : Mr . - - { - _ - _. - -+. Mr . Bowles :. Gentlemen-, -.I ' d .like to .take the vote - -. -_ on the motion before we get side tracked . We ' ve had-a motion and a second to table , pending the additional drainage report and I ' d like to ask fora vote on it 4krthfis time - _ it ar Secretary : Nix? Yes . Anderson? Yes . Watson? Yes . Bowles ? Yes . Mr . Bowles : O. K. -. - - ,r ---=-__---_ M4r.--tv re rrs o-rr Mr--e hal rme°n , i -.--it Tra s-s+.b-1 a—i:o_� give -thre--applicant"-e--list o=f-the staff' s comments so `that - they can react to those? Mr. Anderson : I think this would be permissable for the staff to submit their requirements ? nn • • Mr. Bowles : Well , I think the engineers have copies , don ' t you? Inaudible . Mr. Bowles : I , they have certainly all been read and there is no reason why they shouldn ' t have a copy. Mr. Shupe : Burman , would you like to have this copy showing the easements? Mr. Lorenson : Yes , it ' s the best one I ' ve got. -30- Hello