HomeMy WebLinkAbout710583.tiff WELD COUNTY UTILITIES COORDINATING BOARD
Date : December 30 , 1971
Subject : Indianhills Utility Plat
Applicant : Interladco , Inc .
Utility Board :
Myron Mauldin , Chairman , Mountain Bell
Paul Brown , Home Light & Power
Glen Paul , Weld County Health Department
Jack Bevan , Western Slope Gas Co .
Donald Farmer , Union Rural Electric Ass ' n .
Ed Kelly , City of Greeley
Byron Ewing , County Engineer
Burman Lorenson , Planning Director
Interladco , Inc:
Warren Stobbe
Dale Olhausen
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Mr. Lorenson : - - - - hasn ' t reviewed it yet
and the only thing that is available is by
the staff.
Mr . Didn ' t we pass on that - - -
Mr. Lorenson : No . We ' ll just hold their com-
ments until we get it to the Planning Commission , to our
Planning Commission . ( Inaudible ) felt that the policy , I
mean that this Board , was to review the easements and I
guess I feel that he is essentially correct , and that the
rest of it , the review of the rest of it by their Plan-
ning Commission should be done by their Planning Commis-
sion and can be sent to our Planning Commission . We did
play with the design on it and we cut out approximately
1200 to 1600 feet of road by cul -de-sacing and this may
involve some changes in the utilities , I ' m not sure . .
Inaudible .
Mr. Ewing : Well , let me ask you this . If you
put the cul -de-sacs in there , whose going to get around
in there to plow the snow?
Mr. Lorenson : One of you people . Well , the
only thing I have to say is either you ' re maintaining ,
you have to worry about turning-around in there , I don' t
know. These are going to be asphalted streets , but turn-
ing around in these areas , if we do say this 400 feet on
each one of these things , that ' s 1600 feet and that 's
1600 feet that the road , that the County won ' t have to
rebuild .
Mr. Ewing : 0 . K.. , now , let me ask about fires?
Mr. Lorenson : There is no access on any one of
these that is pinched off. Is there a fire district out
there?
Mr. Olhausen : Uh , yes , we have the Johnstown
Fire District , I guess . I ' m not sure whether this is in
that district , off hand .
Secretary : We did have a Fire District map .
Mr. Ewinq : May I suggest that you put up as-
bestos houses .
Mr. Lorenson : Well , they' ve been building that
way - - - -
Mr. Olhausen : Well , I think the main thing is ,
as I don ' t think there ' s enough - - - streets are adequate-
ly sized , why I don ' t see why we can ' t get fire equipment
in there , as long as we limit the length of it so they can
use the street properly , I don ' t - - -
Mr. Ewing : Well , I don ' t know , Dale , I just
have a kind of a rotten feeling about cul -de-sacs , always
have had , and it seems to me if you have a through street ,
it' s a little easier to maintain and literally keep up .
Now , as far as snow plowing , what are you talking about ,
once or twice a year?
Mr. Olhausen : Yeah, and he may have to juggle
a little to turn around , but there ' s still no reason why
he can ' t drive ahead and back around and go around again ,
and I think , like Burman said , the difference in the len-
gth is going to make up for that anyway , but I think it ' s
a much more desirable and , I , personally like cul -de-sacs
from a , from the person that lives in the area standpoint
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-because it gives a little more individuality to the area
and identify the area a little better with a group of
people , but that ' s neither here nor there . But I think
that ' s quite an advantage over the few times for mainten-
ance as for fire protection why , even if that truck ' s got
to back up there , that 400 feet , that ' s the worst thing
that could happen to them , I think . So , I don ' t think
that ' s a real serious problem so long as they' re proper-
ly sized . I realize they can get blocked when you get a
one-way direction . That ' s what - - - -
Mr. Lorenson : From a developer' s standpoint ,
it cuts down 1600 feet of road for them.
Mr. Bevan : What do you think from a planning
standpoint , Burman?
Mr. Lorenson : Cul -de-sac streets really only
present one problem that I really think that is a possible
serious problem and that is street number.
Mr . Olhausen : Well , drainage is another major
consideration on culs .
Mr. Lorenson : Well , yeah , but you can run swales
down through them.
Mr. Olhausen : Yeah , these are large enough that
that isn ' t a major problem.
Mr. Lorenson : And your utility lines usually
run on through these same areas where you have possibly
off street centerlines .
Mr. Ewing : Well , for all practical purposes , if,
_ I know with the water line , cul -de-sacs usually present
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— somewhat of a problem, on the water company or the devel -
oper , whoever puts them together. The easement they may
want and the easement literally running where the road
would be and run their water lines straight through .
Mr . Lorenson : Uh-huh , but an easement is a lot
different than a street .
Mr. Ewing : I ' ll grant you that.
Mr. Lorenson : This follows maintenance .
Mr. Olhausen : The other item that was discus-
sed at the last meeting was the frontage along the High-
way. The State has confirmed the width of the right-of-
way which is the same as we had reserved before , we have
confirmed and put that on .
Mr. Lorenson : How wide is it?
Mr. Olhausen : I think it ' s a 150 foot off the
centerline . It ' s what we had laid out before (inaudible)
it didn' t change our lay-out .
Mr. Lorenson : Well on the - - -
Secretary : Isn ' t there a utility plat that?
Mr. Olhausen : That ' s - - - -
Mr. Lorenson : There were some questions that I
had with respect to it , the telephone company did , Moun-
tain Bell did indicate in a letter some questions . The
Utility Clearance has the signature of a Mr. Anderson on
it and apparently the questions have been answered , but - -
Mr. Mauldin : Right , the conflict there , Burman ,
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was the gas easement and the Greeley-Loveland Canal ease-
ment . The initial plan showed that as a utility easement
but we couldn ' t use it , there was a conflict , and so they
have since come back and granted an additional easement
paralleling the present gas easement here , and also here
on both sides for electric and telephone . We have run in-
to a lot of conflict where we have had to utilize exist-
ing easements because of prior rights . And they have ,
you did take care of that , didn ' t you , Dale?
Inaudible.
Mr. Bevan: Now , are they going to , how wide of
easements are they going to give on to do this where
there are cul -de-sacs ?
Mr. Lorenson : Well , I don ' t know. The cul -de-
sacs changes the , some perspective and points of view on
this and the •Planning office , rather than having all
through streets , is going to recommend cul -de-sacs , so I
don ' t know what this is going to do to the easement.
Mr. Olhausen : Well , I assume we can maintain
the same widths and modify it to suit. I haven ' t looked
at the 'cul -de-sac lay-out until now and I think we' d at
• least want to review it a little .
Mr. Lorenson: I had some other questions too .
• There are two ditches running through it , the Farmer' s
Ditch and the Greeley-Loveland Ditch and we did check with
the Greeley-Loveland Ditch people and Mr. Flack , and the
drainage plan indicates that you ' re draining into the
_ Greeley-Loveland Ditch and Mr. Flack has stated that any
dumping of storm drainage water into the ditch will re-
quire approval by the Board of Directors . In addition to
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any final- platting , the same thing came up , I do believe ,
on the one your doing out on , by Johnstown?
Mr. Olhausen : Northmoor?
Mr. Lorenson : Northmoor, that a ditch running
through there , that any easements shown , apparently , there
is a recorded easement on the Greeley-Loveland I take it?
As least you have one shown.
Mr. Yes , I think that ' s right.
Mr. Lorenson : Any easements shown there would
have to be approved by letter from the ditch company,
that it ' s being satisfactory to their needs and also in-
clude the Farmer' s Ditch , uh -
Mr. I don ' t see that. Where is the
Farmer' s?
Mr. Olhausen : Way down in the corner.
Mr. Bevan : Is that over here?
Inaudible .
Mr. Paul : Where is the Farmer' s Extension?
Mr. Lorenson : Right up here , or down ,, southwest
corner.
Mr. Paul : Yeah , here it is .
Mr . Lorenson : There ' s a swash through here and
maybe in this particular case , it ' s just my ignorance , I
think , at least I ' d like to have it confirmed , that on
the Union Pacific mineral reservations , what rights does
that grant them with respect to building , or you building
on the surface?
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- Mr. Olhausen : Oh , I forget , we ' ve got that doc-
ument and reviewed it to some extent. Do you remember ,
Warren , how that reads?
Mr . Stobbe : I don ' t have a specific answer,
Burman , the exact wording , but when we were reviewing it
originally , when we were forming , you know , putting it in
a perspectus for the Federal Government , we satisfied at
that time , the Government' s , meaning; the S . E. C . and
the Federal Government ' s imput into this , in that there
was not a serious problem. We also had some correspond-
ence with both PanAmerican Oil and Union Pacific in that
they didn ' t recognize this as being a particular problem,
and/or they would let us buy what mineral rights were
necessary if there was one . Both egress , ingress and
this type of thing as far as getting in and possibly min-
ing or developing underground minerals . So , I would have
to say , very humbly , I don ' t have a specific answer, but
we did look into this and did satisfy the Government when
we went through this process .
Mr. Lorenson : Well , there is some place in the
back of my mind , that you can build all over it , but if
they find mineral rights , they can put an oil well on your
• back yard at the same time .
Mr. Ewing : I guess , they can , but they have to
pay for it .
Mr. Stobbe : They have to pay for damages and
also they have to get the consent of the people in the
community to do that .
Mr. Lorenson : Are you - - -
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Mr. Ewing : You don ' t expect a big argument out
of somebody - - - - oil well in your back yard .
Mr. Stobbe : No , I realize , but I do , but they
do have to agree to that . They just can ' t go in there
arbitrarily and dig up their property. They have to go
through a legal process .
Mr. Lorenson : Are you going to build roads over
the canal , you haven ' t shown , at least , two of them.
Mr. 0lhausen : Yes .
Mr. Lorenson : Well , I don ' t know that we ' ve re-
quired it at this point , but on a final plat we have to
also get letters of approval from the ditch company for
that.
Mr. Bevan : Right .
Mr. Lorenson : In addition to that , on the east
side is a section line , over here , and it would be a , it
is our policy that it would be arterial road, be a 50
foot road , or I mean a 50 foot dedication on that line. .
Mr. Ewing : . It ' s shown there.
Mr. Lorenson : Not as 50 , is it?
Mr. Ewing : I thought I saw it, I don ' t know,
maybe not .
Mr. Lorenson: Well , if it is , it isn ' t drawn
to scale. Is there any conflict of the utility companies
using ditch easement at the same time?
Mr. Bevan : Yes .
Mr. Lorenson : Is there any place on there where
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they ' re using both the - - -
Mr. Olhausen : That ' s part of the modification
on the easements .
Mr. Mauldin : Burman , we ' ve asked for additional
easements on both sides of the ditch here and also over
here .
Mr. Lorenson : 0. K. And one last comment is ,
that the easements haven ' t been drawn and I think it ' s
the policy of the Board that all easements should be drawn ,
I ' m not saying that this is a typical , and you have a typ-
ical note on easements , and the Board requests that all
easements be shown graphically .
Mr. Mauldin : There are property lines here ,
they ' ve got it shown here .
Mr. Olhausen : Shown just in the area where they
are proposed or in all of them?
Mr. Mauldin : Every easement should be shown.
Mr. Ewing: I assume that this is going to be
septic tanks?
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Mr. Lorenson : Yes .
Mr. Ewing : 57 minutes to the inch?
Mr. Paul : Yes , that ' s - - -
Mr. Olhausen : In other words , where we call out
an easement on every lot line to , in case there is changes
from the utility company or something later on , you want all
those also? I mean , in addition to the one ' s where you've
got lines now laid out?
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Mr. Mauldin : Actually , the easements should , that
are shown on here should be the permanent easements and no
additional one should be required if all utilities have been
contacted .
Mr. Olhausen : Well , my only thought is that it , I
don ' t see it on the final plat as being a requirement of the
final platting as long as it ' s covered , that it is an ease-
ment and described . We ' re actually saying , it' s on all sides
of the lot lines throughout the development on this , and - -
Mr. Lorenson : Is that side lot lines also?
Mr. Olhausen : Yeah , I think that' s the way it' s- -
Mr. Lorenson : Well , that could be all four lines .
Mr. Olhausen : Yeah , that could be - - -
Mr. Lorenson : Well , I ' m only, only expressing the
Board policy that all , they want all easement lines shown
graphically.
Mr. Olhausen : Well we can , I have no objection to
showing them, I was wondering on , actually., this isn' t a re-
quirement of the final platting is it? It' s on the plat
that is filed here?
Mr. Lorenson : No , it is , any thing that' s. approved
by this Board , we want on the final plat. .
Mr. Olhausen : 0 . K.
Mr. Mauldin : There ' s definitely conflict here with
these cul -de-sacs , looking at the utility layout. Some ease-
ments definitely are going to have to be stipulated.
Mr. Bevan : Yeah , that' s right - - - . That ' s why
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I ask , are we going to an easement as wide as the road on
through there , or are they going to narrow it down to this
15 feet on either side or what?
Mr. Olhausen : I ' d assume we ' d use the same ease-
ment size we have on the other ones , I , I think we ' d want
to put a road width beside the
Mr. Kelly : Inaudible - - going to dedicate 50
feet?
Mr. Olhausen : Yeah , we ' re that' s in the - - -
Mr. Kelly : Inaudible.
Mr. Olhausen : .It ' s in there , but I don' t know
why they didn ' t show it .
Inaudible .
Mr. Mauldin : Anything else , Burman?
Mr. Lorenson : That was my list.
Mr. Mauldin : Well then , I guess we will still
table it until it has been finally submitted and reviewed
by Larimer County.
Mr. Ewing : Is there - - -
Mr. Farmer : This one right here.
Mr. Olhausen : We' d like to get everything from
this Board so it doesn ' t delay it , if possible , Myron , I
don ' t know what affect would it have if the other, I don ' t
know what Larimer County would come up with or what - -
What ' s the reason for tabling by this Board , is what I guess
I ' m wondering . It delays the client- if he has to come back
and it has to be put to a later - - - .
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Mr . Mauldin : Well , we can' t accept anything just
like this , it' s going to have to be in it ' s final form be-
fore we can recommend to the Planning Commission that they
approve this .
Mr. Lorenson : Myron , I really think that we can
go ahead and work this out and let the other thing go to
the Planning Commission .
Mr. Paul : Why can ' t it be approved with the con-
dition that it meets these things submitted - - - table it.
Mr. Lorenson : It ' s whatever the Board wishes .
Mr. Olhausen : Well , the other thought I have , is
that , like you say , I haven ' t looked at the culs and I don ' t
know that I object to them, those are planning considerations
I think it should be gone into outside of this group probab-
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ly , and I would hope that , based on the plan we' ve submitted ,
we may want to proceed to submit the plan as is . If there
are changes in the plan , the culs get modified and so on ,
then I agree that it should be resubmitted to each individu-
al if we modify those areas , but basically we' ve submitted
a plan and we had no opportunity until today and I think
we ' ve went through all of the procedures and we' ve tried to
answer every question that' s been brought up previously and
I just , I don ' t want to get the client delayed simply because
af , we are waiting on Larimer County to: come back , and I
don ' t see what affect they would have on your decision , but,
and certainly if we modify to that extent , then the total
plan would . have to be submitted individually , each one of
you again .
Mr. Stobbe : I might mention too Dale , that the
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conversation I had this morning with Larimer County , they
saw no particular problem at all and I think this is the
first time they have been presented with this type of a prob-
lem, and they indicated to me that there wasn ' t any parti -
cular procedural problem that they saw , if that means any-
thing as far as you gentlemen are concerned.
Mr . Olhausen : We asked their staff to at least
• give us the staff review and try and get it over here ahead
of this meeting , in that their regular Board doesn ' t meet
apparently by this time .
Mr. Mauldin : What' s your thoughts on this , Burman?
Mr . Lorenson : Well , I think we can hold on the ,
on the review , and let Larimer County' s review go to the
Planning Commission . I think the Planning Commission wants
it . As far as this Board
Mr. Mauldin : I see no problems , utility wise,
other than the easements where these cul -de-sacs have been
placed , and assuming that where the utilities have located
their facility, that easements be shown on the final plat.
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Mr. Lorenson : I think I would want a finalized
preliminary plat that would show what the Board did desire
on these items in our files , rather than our marke 4 u`p
copies , and that the final plat then follow with the same
easement design . As far as holding it up further one way
or the other , that' s up to you . If you and the Board wishes
to take- action , that either says , "Table it and wait until
we get the final version" , or go ahead and "We approve it ,
subject to the changes " , that ' s still up to you .
Mr . Stobbe : One thing I might just throw in , if
I may , seeing that yids has been submitted se' eral months
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ago , it really is , it ' s getting into our pocket quite a bit
and if you could show some consideration , subject to these
things you gentlemen have recommended , we would bend over
backwards to accommodate . Every recommendation you have
made , we will be very happy to satisfy it , but time is im-
portant to us .
Mr. Bevan : Well , it boils down to a matter of ,
"Do you want to approve something"? You ' ve got an idea of
what it' s going to be or without an actual plat that you can
see or, see it on black and white before you approve it?
Mr. Mauldin : Well , I don ' t think we ought to set
a precedence - - -
Mr. Bevan : I really don ' t see too many problems
as long as they get the easements , which they undoubtedly
will , coming off of these cul -de-sacs . They' ll be narrowed
down to 30 feet rather than 50 feet (inaudible) .
Mr. Olhausen : Well , I would think we want to re-
member that this is' a preliminary and that there' s probably
going to be some other modifications before the final comes
out and the final really is what we end up looking at and
approving in the end and I think the main intent here is to
assure that we are providing for the easements and that ser—
vice is available and some of these things and I just would
hope that we wouldn ' t be delayed in going in front of the
Planning Commission . We really aren ' t going to know a . lot
of these other things , I don ' t think , until we get in front
of the Planning Commission , I don ' t know. We may want to ,
if we re- , if we modify substantially the total thing , then
I agree we should come back and resubmit and everybody ' s
going to have to go through it again , but , on the other hand ,
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this may occur again at the time of the Planning Commission .
I don ' t think we have any objection to working or we want to
work with the Planning Commission as close as possible and
the Planning staff , but we are in yet a very preliminary
state and you may be looking at it again at a later time with
some additional changes . I would hope that you would approve
it subject to what we have here today and with those , with
you ' re suggestions required , is fine.
Mr. Bevan : I really can ' t see any objections to
utility lay-out as it ' s shown here . What we' re approving is
this plat right here which shows utilities in the streets .
We do know that it ' s going to be changed to have cul -de-sacs
and it states right down here that there is a 15 foot util -
ity easement on all lot lines , so I don ' t see why we couldn ' t
approve this as is and then if there are changes , why you ' ll
have to come before the Board again anyhow and we can either
approve and disapprove their changes , but all we' re doing is
approving what ' s shown on the utility lay-out as it is and it
states right on here that it ' s got a 15 foot easement on
either side of any lot lines. I can ' t see that ( inaudible) .
Mr. Mauldin : Do you want to make a motion?
Mr. Bevan : Well , I would make a. motion that this
plat be accepted as is .
Mr. Kelly : Are we considering this is preliminary
plat?
Mr. Mauldin : Subject to the easements as discussed
Mr. Bevan : Subject to the easements as - - - - .
Mr. Mauldin: Noted , cause , here ' s the thing , we ' re
going to get bawled up with those cul -de-sacs .
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-Mr. Ewing : You better make it "with corrections "
because "as discussed" , because Burman wants 50 foot here
and all this other stuff.
Mr. Farmer : "As discussed" . heah .
Mr . Bevan : Well , that ' s right , he asked (inaudible)
Mr. Kelly : Well , how about wording it "condition-
al approval " on the preliminary plat? Conditional approval
would be "conditions being met" .
Mr. Ewing : It ' s your motion .
Mr. Bevan : Well , 2 would reword the motion to say .
• "that we accept it on the conditions as have been discussed
here with the 50 foot easement on the east side" .
Mr. 0lhausen : That ' s right-of-way.
Mr. Lorenson : Well , a 50 foot , yeah , right-of-way
on the section line , on the east section line and does the
utility plat , well we show that , let' s see - - -
Mr. Bevan : Well , basically, we have no conflicts
between the utilities as to where they are going.
Mr. Lorenson : Well , there is one other item and
these people aren' t here and I suppose that we' ve been hand
ling it in a manner that , rather than appearance , that a let-
ter of approval of easements shown on the ditch line and
there will be roads constructed over the ditch and there also
would be drainage , storm drainage going into the Greeley-
Loveland also .
Mr. Kelly : We can ' t get acceptance from the Board
• of Directors?
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Mr. Mauldin : I think there ' s too many variables
to accept the plat .
Mr. Ewing : We ' ve got a three page motion right
now , I would suggest we do something with it .
Mr. Bevan : Well , at least discuss it , so ( inaudible
Mr. Mauldin : 0 . K. , it ' s been moved , is there a
second?
Mr. Paul : I second it .
Mr. Lorenson : Glen , I 'm sorry -
Mr. Paul : I ' m not in it then?
Mr. Lorenson : Well , you ' re here but as an official
board , I ' m not a voting member either.
Mr. Mauldin : There ' s one , two , three , four, five
of us .
Mr . Lorenson : No offense , there .
Mr. Paul : That ' s what I wanted to know , whether
I ' m not on.
Mr. Kelly : Aren ' t you going to second that?
Mr. No .
Mr. Bevan : Apparently' I need another second .
Mr. Mauldin : 0 . K. , it ' s tabled . Recommended,
Dale , that you submit final preliminary plat , showing the
easements , cul -de-sacs , the proper right-of-way to the County
road - - -
Mr. Stobbe : Well , pardon me , but what ' s that got
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to do with the _utilities? This is a planning function
you ' re talking about , the easement - - - that ' s one thing - -
Mr . Mauldin : Let ' s put it this way , this Board
has made it a policy in the past not to act on any subdivi -
sion plat unless it ' s in it ' s final form , recommending it
to the Planning Commission for approval .
Mr. Lorenson : Well , - - -
Mr. Bevan : Actually , one thing they' re going to
have problems with , with your utilities and that is , your
utilities are laid out here now , like your gas and any buried
utility is laid out primarily in the street. Alright , if all
of a sudden you do change it and you put a buried utility
down a property line , utilities aren ' t going to like that
too well , because that means any maintenance work that
they' ve got to do , they' ve got to pay damages to the people
who own the property. This is the major drawback that I see
to it , but - - -
Mr. Lorenson : Let ' s drop back. The applicant
has said that the cul -de-sacs are a different ball game , that
he wants to submit that thing over there so , I think that
from hi$ point of view , the whole list went out and we look
at that one and that with relationship to that , the ditch
question is still in question , the additional right-of-way
could be taken up , I don ' t think there' s any problem on the
right-of-way but you ' re , is , will be running utilities over
a ditch someplace , I think. Am I wrong?
Mr. Olhausen : Yes , we have to cross the ditch
with the utilities .
Mr . Bevan : The Farmer' s Ditch down here .
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Inaudi-ble .
Mr. Ewing : Well that really - - - the large prob-
lem in the past depending on whether he has to put in brid-
ges or culverts of what , but the Ditch Company , being what
they are , probably will not accept culverts , they seem to
have a fondness for bridges , maybe then they burn better
but normally , we hang . We will allow to hang on a bridge ,
so if that' s what they want to do , otherwise they - ,
that' s not a real large problem.
Mr. Mauldin : We ' d have to negotiate where we' d
cross the Loveland Canal here in a number of places , we' d
have to negotiate with that company , ourselves . Even though
there was an easement along here , we would still have to
negotiate with the Greeley-Loveland prior to our placing any
utility across the ditch , under or over, whichever the case
may be .
Inaudible.
Mr. Stobbe : Yes , we have , as a matter of fact ,
• we ' re , as I said before , we are quite willing to do every-
thing yqu gentlemen would like us to do , without exception.
If you want them up in the air , We' ll put them up in the air,
if you like them underground , we' ll put them underground.
If you ' d just tell us what you ' d like to do , we' d be happy
to do it. I don ' t know how else I can express myself. All
we ' re asking is , "Are these utilities proper?" If they' re
not , we ' ll change them. If Mr-. Lorenson and the Commission
doesn ' t like cul -de-sacs , we might have to change those and
we ' ll have to come back here but , we ' re not concerning our-
selves with cul -de-sacs this morning , I don ' t think. We ' re
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trying to- ask you whether those utilities are proper or are
they not?
Mr. Bevan : As presented on this plat?
Mr . Stobbe : Yes sir.
Mr. Bevan : we can approve this one I
think , but if we come back with another one , why that means
another approval at a later date . (inaudible) . Nobody
knows about that one .
Mr. Stobbe : Pardon me , what plat is this? This
is - - -
Mr. 0lhausen : That' s the preliminary plat submit-
tal with the utilities on it.
Mr. Stobbe : Well , isn ' t it the one we are sub-
mitting?
Mr . Lorenson : Well , there is two - - -
Mr. Mauldin : This is the one that has been review-
ed , actually by all utilities and companies for the utility
lay-out design , and. I see , actually , no conflict as far as
utilities are concerned on this plat, so -
Mr. Lorenson : No conflict , other than one point.,
and that' s the Board ' s policy that all easements be shown
graphically.
Mr. Mauldin : Well , with this note down at the
bottom there , the 15 foot on all lot lines , would be ade-
quate , actually , although I agree with you that they should
have been shown . The electrical , I notice in some cases ,
is on the streets .
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Mr . B-evan : How did this cul -de-sac business get
started anyway?
Mr . Lorenson : In reviewing the plat , that' s ,
this is going to, part of the recommendations to the Planning
Commission .
Mr. Kelly : Well , how can we have one utility plan
sitting here unscratched , and this one looks like - - -
Mr. Stobbe : We' re not submitting this . I don ' t
know how this got on the table in the first place , the one
we ' re submitting is the one you gentlemen are looking at ,
and all of the discussion seems to be about the one that' s
going to be issued to the planners , that' s why I ' m -confus-
ed myself , as to what we ' re ,what you gentlemen are really
aiming at and that' s why , you know , I ' m a little bit uncom-
fortable. I wish we would concern ourselves with what
we ' re submitting .
Mr. Lorenson : Well , the , part of the problem is
that when you know that you ' re going to , when there' s going
to be discussion before the .Planning Commission which is
going to be discussing cul -de-sacs , and 'these 'ottier items , i
automatically means that you ' re' lay-out, utility lay-out , ar
the questions of the ditch easement and the ditch people' s
rights , is going to eventually have to be discussed , that
this is really the beginning point and if you don' t get it
done some place along the way , you' re going to have to stop
make the full circle and come back at the beginning point
and start going through again .
Mr. 0lhausen : I agree , Burman , but we can ' t even
get it to the Planning Commission until we at least say tha
we ' ve got utilities considered and that' s , I .think the main
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purpose why we ' re here , is that we walked these things
around and discussed it with the individual utility com-
panies just to be sure we got service to the area and what
the general requirements are . In fact , what I think we' re
saying , we ' ve done that and we ' d like , at least , the bless-
ing on that portion of it and I don ' t , you know , disagree
whether your plan it right or wrong and I think we ' ll cer-
tainly work with you on it and we ' ll be happy to come back
through this Board , that ' s fine with me , but I , I do think
the client recognizing that he has to justify myself or my
staff to run around and see each one of you people again ,
he has to somehow justify to his people why we ' re delayed
another two weeks on that submittal , and we' ve tried to com-
ply with what was suggested before , I think , and I wasn ' t
here , and I apologize for that , or that I didn ' t have my
other man here again today , but I think it ' s a reasonable
request to try and keep the thing moving , at least , and
we ' ll pursue these areas and put the easements on and so on ,
and I don ' t think we ' re objecting to that but the delay , I
think , is the big concern here so that we at least know:
that we ' re going down the right road here . Cause the item
of the planning in the culs , and so on I assume , will take
some time and maybe a complete resubmittal and we' ll be
happy to come back at that time with that but - - -
Mr. Bevan : Oh , but is , not that one , with the
cul -de-sacs , but is the original lay-out plat been submit
ted to the Planning Commission prior to this?
Mr. Lorenson : It hasn ' t been before the Planning
Commission . It came up as an item and the first step in pro-
cedure is to go before the Utility Board , then the Planning
Commission sees it and then eventually , or whatever in that
arrangement , finally the County Commissioners .
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Mr. Bevan : Well I ' m , I have to agree with this
gentlemen , that we ' ve got this before us . He ' s got to do
battle with the Planning Commission as to whether that ' s
accepted or not . If that is changed to have cul -de-sacs ,
why then he ' s got another battle to go through , but as is
here , everybody' s agreed to it , so why can ' t we pass on this
plat as this one is , subject to the right-of-way along here ,
and what other , do you have one or two other little items?
That ' s all , that ' s all they ' re asking for as they are going
to present the thing , "Is this utility lay-out satisfactory?"
and as it is here , I don ' t think anybody has- got any object-
ions to it , but then if , if the Planning Commission does
make them change it , and put the cul -de-sacs in , there isn ' t
• a utility company here that isn ' t going to want take a look
at it for reengineering the system.
Mr. Stobbe : We would want you to do that - -
Mr. Bevan : Then , why can ' t we accept this plat
as it is right here?
Mr . Kelly : Well , that ' s our first motion.
Mr . Bevan : Yeah , that was my original motion , to
accept this plat.
Mr. Farmer: This number right here , put the num-
ber on it.
Mr. Bevan : You can even put a drawing number on
it , if you want to .
Mr. Ewing : Let me understand you right . You ' re
- making a motion for approval subject to right-of-way and
the corroboration of the ditch company
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Mr_ Farmer : On this one right here?
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- Mr. Bevan : On this one right here .
Mr. Ewing : I ' ll second that .
Mr. Mauldin : It ' s been moved and seconded to
accept the Indianhead Subdivision utility lay-out subject
to right-of-way and ditch company ' s approval . Those in
favor?
Unanimous : "Aye" .
Mr. Mauldin : Opposed? Carried .
Mr. Olhausen : Thank you . We ' ll probably be back
next week .
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