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Home My WebLink About690057.tiff( aant?Y z�a-ru-22ti RESOLUTION WHEREAS, the Board of County Commissioners of the County of Weld, State of Colorado, has long been concerned with the problem of the control of forest and prairie fires in Weld County, and WHEREAS, Weld County is obligated to control all fires on forest and prairie lands within said County, and WHEREAS, there is an immediate need for a volunteer fire department in northeast Weld County, and WHEREAS, such a volunteer fire department has been established under the name and title of the PAWNEE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, with headquarters at Grover, Colorado, and WHEREAS, the Colorado State Forest Service is agreeable to furnish fire fighting equipment to WELD COUNTY and the PAWNEE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, in accordance with an Equipment Agreement, a copy of which is attached herewith, and WHEREAS, it is desirous and in the best interest of Weld County, to have such fire fighting equipment made available to it. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, by the Board of County Commissioners, Weld County, Colorado, that said Equipment Agreement with the Colorado State Forest Service, a copy of which is attached hereto, and made a part hereof by reference, be, and it hereby is approved. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Board be, and it hereby is authorized to execute the Equipment Agreement as submitted, and to make the same effective forthwith. The above and foregoing Resolution was, on motion duly made and seconded, adopted by the following vote, on the 18th day of June, 1969. AYE: ATTEST: CLERK OF TIlE BOARD tom: ..I , i BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WELD COUNTY, COLORADO _asX47 No. 1 Form 123-1 EQUIPMENT AGREEMENT Between Colorado State Forest Service WELD County This Agreement, effective as of March 4, 1969 by and between the State of Colorado acting by and through the State Forester of the Colorado State Forest Service on behalf of the State Board of Agriculture, hereinafter referred to as the State Forest Service, and Weld county acting by and through the Board of County Commissioners and the sheriff under authority of the state laws hereinafter referred to as the County. Witnesseth: Whereas: The State Board of Agriculture is by law designated as the agency of the state to administer equipment and funds obtained under the act of Congress dated June 7, 1924 entitled the "Clarke-McNary Law" which function has been delegated to the Colorado State Forest Service and Whereas: It is the duty of the State Forest Service to provide for the protection of the forest resources of the state, both public and private from fire and Whereas: The county is obligated to control all fires on forest and prairie lands within said county. Now, therefore, in consideration of the mutual covenants hereinafter set forth, the parties agree as follows: No. 1 Form 123-1 I. The State Forest Service agrees to: A. Furnish fire fighting equipment as described in appendix A, in operating condition and equipped to perform the assigned duties of the county. B. Provide instruction in the use and minor maintenance of the equipment. C. Perform major repairs due to normal wear and tear at no cost to the county as shown in appendix B. D. Inspect the operational ability and appearance and report to the county the findings of such inspections. E. Remove all equipment shown as item 1 of appendix A if not properly maintained or operated in accordance with this agreement. II. The County agrees to: A. Use the fire equipment obtained by this agreement only for fires and other emergencies that threaten the loss of life and property. B. Maintain the equipment in operating condition at all times, and provide adequate housing on a year round basis. C. Pay for all operating costs and minor maintenance as shown in appendix B. D. Provide for licensing and adequate insurance coverage as shown in appendix B. E. Make all equipment acquired under this agreement available to the sheriff for the control of forest and prairie fires within the county and/or to the State Forest Service for fires outside the county boundary. Form 123-1 No. 1 F. Make no changes, additions or deletions to the equipment without approval of the State Forest Service. G. Return the equipment listed as item 1 of appendix A together with any certificates of title thereto properly endorsed to the State Forest Service at its request. H. The county assumes liability to the extent permissible by law for accidents resulting from the use or operation of said fire fighting equipment except when said equipment is under the direct supervision of the State Forest Service. I. To reimburse the State Forest Service for the cost of items 2, 3 and 4 of appendix A if purchased from or through the State Forest Service. This agreement shall remain in full force and effect unless cancelled by not less than thirty days' written notice from one party to the other party. If the State Forest Service determines that the county is not in compliance with this agreement, this agreement shall be null and void. i Fire Chief, P Volunteer Fire Department Colorado State Forest Service by Board of County Commissioners Weld County, Colorado State Forester ALZ- c- cote-, w/ No. 1 Form 123-1--A APPENDIX A The following equipment is hereby designated as fulfilling the State Forest Service requirements, paragraph I A of the Equipment Agreement with Weld county dated March 4, 1969 Type of equipment: Item 1. Truck: 1k Ton, 4x2, 1200 gal. - 1955 OM Serial Number 4148Y1217 Color - Yellow Pump - G -R MOD. 61ZAl S/N 422376 & Barton Pump Type SMA100 S/N C-91341 Hose reel and tool boxes attached 2. Hose: 500 feet of single jacket cotton or cotton synthetic rubber -lined 1z" 100 feet of linen 1/2" 200 feet of 3/4" ID and 1" OD, high pressure rubber 30 feet of 1z" suction hose 3. Tool cache: 4 shovels 2 pulaskis 5 hard hats 4. Miscellaneous tools and accessories: 3 canteens 1 axe Nozzles (2) 2-11", 1-1" Spanner wrenches (1) Combination 11/2" & 2?" Strainer suction hose Ejector, high volume (Optional -- may be required at a later date) Reducer (1) 1z" x 1" Adapter (2) 1%" F-NST x M-IPT and M-NST x F-IPT Wye (1) gated 1?" Double female coupling 1z" Double male coupling 1z" Hose clamp Jack, 10 ton Wheel wrench 5 -lb. dry chemical extinguisher Pliers Crescent wrench Screwdrivers (2) Hammer No. 1 Form 123-1 APPENDIX B The State Forest Service agrees to provide the following maintenance for equipment listed in appendix A of this Equipment Agreement with Weld county, dated March 4, 1969 as needed: 1. Major overhaul or replacement of truck or pump engines. 2. Replace or repair transmission on clutch. 3. Replace or repair rear end, or axles. 4. Replace or repair brake drums and shoes. 5. Replace or repair major damage to frame, body or tanks. 6. Provide parts for minor repairs on electrical system. The county agrees to provide the following maintenance for all equipment listed in appendix A of this agreement. 1. Provide gas, oil, and lubrication as needed and recommended by the State Forest Service. 2. Provide minor motor tuneup, brake adjustment and tire repair. 3. Maintain electrical system, batteries, and cooling system. 4. Provide similar maintenance for pumping equipment. 5. Provide necessary licensing. The county shall also provide a certificate of insurance annually showing that said vehicle has been and is insured in the amounts of: $ 50,000 bodily injury, each 100,000 bodily injury, each accident 5,000 property damage, each accident COi_OF, _DO ' IMAIME EOFZE_ 5T EEI VICE A PART OF COLORADO STATE UNIVERSITY FORT COLLINS, COLORADO 80521 TELEPHONE 303.482.8183 FIELD OFFICES ALAMOSA CANON CITY COLORADO SPRINGS DURANGO PORT COLLINS GLENWOOD SPRINGS GOLDEN LONGMONT MONTROSE STEAMBOAT SPRINGS DATE: November 19, 1969 Weld County'Czommissioners Weld County Courthouse Greeley, Co. 80631 Re: CSFS #121-6 Insurance Inquiry, Equipment Agreement Fire Equipment Agreement No. 1 dated March 4, 1969 Agreement with Weld County Type of Equipment: Make GMC Serial No. 418-Y-1217 Stationed at (from last known information) Dear Commissioners: Pawnee V.F.D. Pursuant to the above references and in accordance with the provisions of the executed agreement on file, your attention is called to: (see block checked that applies to this request) 1. X Certificate of current insurance coverage, NOT RECEIVED. See block #6. 2. X If this equipment is covered in your fleet policy, see block #6. 3. 0 Amount of`insurance coverage is insufficient. See block #6. Minimum required amounts of coverage are: $50,000 - bodily injury, each 100,000 - bodily injury, each accident 5,000 - property damage, each accident 4. " Does yourexisting policy provide for continuous coverage until specific cancellation? If so, see block #6. 5. 6. E ts Please have your insuror send to this office a certificate of insurance or sufficient evidence to cover the inquiries in any of the above check- ed blocks. Sincerely, Lle Gefald Solt, Administrative Asst -t (\t\ ��pjy/MM�� /I I cc: County Sheriff I h President, Pawnee Volunteer Fire Dept. I' _,�Y \ District Forester CSFS Trans. No. LeRoy Scott 5940 i0: f+ AP December 1, 1969 Mr. Gerald Solt Colorado State Forest Service Colorado State University Fort Collins, Colorado 80521 Res CEPS 3-G Your letter of 11/19/69 Dear Mr. Solt, Attached please find a certificate of insurance showing that the County Cossiesioners of Weld County are covered by an automobile alert policy through The Travelers Insures Company. This policy (lovers all °hued, mat -owned end hired automobiles. If we may be of further assistance in this matter, please advise. Llirc Enel. Sincerely, Lloyd Lund/ THE TRAVELERS Certificate of Insurance This is to certify that policies of insurance as described below have been issued to the insured named below and are in force at this time. If such policies are canceled or changed during the periods of coverage as stated herein, in such a manner as to affect this certificate, written notice will be mailed to the party designated below for whom this certificate is issued. 1. Name and address of party to whom this certificate is issued I- — Colorado State Forest Service Colorado State University Fort Collins, Colorado Attn: Mt. Gerald Solt L J 2. Name and address of insured The Board of County Commissioners of the County of Weld, Greeley, Colorado 3. Location of operations to which this certificate applies ibited States 4. Coverages For Which Insurance is Afforded Limits of Liability Policy Number Policy Period" Workmen's Compensation and Employers' Liability in the state named in item 3 hereof Compensation —Statutory , • Bodily Injury Liability —except automobile eluding Protective • each person each accident each occurrence Property Damage Liability —except ajst"Omobile eluding Protective * $ each accident $ each occurrence $ aggregate Bodily Injury Liability —automobile Property Damage Liability —automobile * $ 300,000. each person $ 500,000. each accident $ 500,000. each occurrence * $ 100,000. each accident $ 100,000. each occurrence NSIr2373678 1/155/69-70 Liability (Bodily Injury and Property Damage) $ each accident $ each occurrence *Absence of an entry in these spaces means that insurance is not afforded with respect to the coverages opposite thereto. "Policy is effective and expires at 12:01 A.M., standard time at the address of the named insured as stated herein Description of Operations, or Automobiles to which the policy applies: All Gamed, Non-Ctmed and Hired Automobiles The insurance afforded is subject to all of the terms of the policy, including endorsements, applicable thereto. THE TRAVELERS INSURANCE COMPANY Office Deliver, Colorado THE TRAVELERS INDEMNITY COMPANY THE CHARTER OAK FIRE CT Date � �t-.y 69 By INSURANCE (�COMPANY C-5915* REV. 11-66 PRINTED IN U.S.A. If1{ d Reprexenfnfivt COPY Title Transmittal, Equip. Agreement CSFS #126 COLORADO STATE FOREST SERVICE COLORADO STATE UNIVERSITY Fort Collins, Colorado 80521 Date: September 19, 1969 Weld County Commissioners Greeley, Colorado 80631 Re: Equipment Agreement No.¢g:) 1 Date: March 4, 1969 Agreement executed by Weld County -Pawnee V.F.D.-Subsidary Party. C.S.F.S. Transaction Invoice No.$u:): 5940 Pursuant to the above referenced documents and in accordance with the provisions of the executed agreement on file, the following motor vehicle title(s4 showing assignment to Weld County (is)tare enclosed. Ti 1. - - F-57328 ----- - GMC u‘ac y e 11 Ton- 4 x 2 aersar no 418-Y-1217 ngreemeur no. 1. 2. 3. 4. £C.7 Copy of agreement for each of the parties to the said agreement is enclosed. AC/ Please send or have our insuror send evidence of insurance to this office. Very truly yours, rettct Gerald Solt Administrative Assistant Enclosures: cc: Richard P. Martinez Clifford E. Anderson - President, Pawnee V.F.D. State District Forester LeRoy Scott C.S.F.S. Invoice No. 5940 ear T.tlt in► AUT 'MOBILE POLICY APPLICATI. ES THE WESTERN CASUALTY AND uRETY COMPANY ❑ THE WESTERN FIRE INSURANCE COMPANY Home Office — Fort Scott, Kansas 13 New -Policy No. Renewal of No.. Item 1. Name of Applicant and Address; (No., Street, Town, County, State) / n , ,1 , $ :t 0.( Item 2. Policy Period: From 1 / - ; to /ir. i /? /a 12:01 A.M., standard time at the address of the applicant as stated herein. Garage: The automobile will be principally garaged at the address of the applicant, unless otherwise stated herein: Occupation and Employer of Applicant (or applicant's husband): Name and Address of Loss Payee, if any: Due date of final installment: Other than Loss Payee stated herein, applicant is the sole owner of the automobile. Exceptions, if any: Item 3. Insurance to LIMITS Bodily Injury f Liability 1 Property Damage Liability Medical Payments Comprehensive Collision (state kind) Fire Theft Windstorm Combined Add'I Coy. Tow and Labor Costs Uninsured f Motorists 1 Other Rating Territory apply for such coverages as are indicated by specific limit of liability. OF LIABILITY PREMIUMS $__,t b00 each person Auto No. 1 Auto No. 2 Auto No. 3 $_L,_",000 each occurrence $__, - 4 $ $--2122,000 each occurrence $ each person $,000 each person $____000 each accident $ $ $ SUB TOTALS $ TOTAL PREMIUM $ Rating Factor Classification Code Auto No. 1 IIII Auto No. 2 IIIII Auto No. 3 11111 Item 4. Description of the automobile and facts respecting its purchase: Auto Na. Year of Model Trade Name and Body type Identification, Motor or Serial Number No. of H. P. Cu. Inch Distil. Factory List Price or Rate Symbol and Age Group Cost When Purchased Including Equipment Purchased Estimated Annual Mileage Mo. Yr. New -Used i 2 3 /-:. -C,Is. em 5 USE: ❑ Pleasure and Business: ❑ Commercial; as defined in the policy, or Designation of insured for purposes of division 2 of Medical Payments Coverage, if required by Insuring Agreement III: Designation of insured for purposes of Uninsured Motorists Coverage, if required by Insuring Agreement XII: 1. APPLICANT'S STATEMENT in household not listed as drivers below Dates of Birth -Boys (b) Previous address during past three years (d) Any other automobiles in fam ly? Insured by Western? (Policy No.) (a) No. of children Dates of Birth -Girls (c) Nationality IBeIID iy Duffel insurance Hi Western II dilf (e) Previous insurer 2. Names Names of Drivers students and military) Driver's License Number Date of Birth Sex Married? Relationship To Applicant Occupation If "Yes" Indicate Auto No. Estimated Annual Driven No. of Yam Licensed Driver s aining?ed on back) Drive Car To work? Use Car For Business? Applicant - V_. / xxxx xxxxx 3. (a) If auto is used in driving to work, distance one way: miles. To or through what cities do you drive to work? (b) If occupation is farming, is any driver engaged in employment other than farming? If yes, explain (c) Has any driver been convicted of or forfeited bail for a traffic violation (other than parking) during the past three years? If yes, explain: Name of Driver Type of Violation Date of Conviction Place of Conviction Type of Auto Being Operated (d) Has any driver keen involved in anv automobile accident (as a driver) durine the oast three vaars? if veR. Pxnlain• Name of Driver Result of Accident Date of Accident Place of Accident Type of Auto Being Operated Any Bodily injury or Death? Amount of damage to all property Incl. auto. driven Yes O No 0 $ Yes ❑ No ❑ $ date of accident (e) Has any driver had his driver's license suspended or revoked during past three years? If yes, explain (f) Does any driver have a physical deficiency or impairment? If yes, explain (g) Has insurance for any driver been declined, canceled or renewal refused by any company during past three years? If yes, when and by whom (h) If any driver is student or in military service, list school or military base Will automobile be used for transportation to or from such school or base or garaged at such places? (i) Is auto materially altered or specially equipped to increase performance? (special carburetors, high lift cams, high speed gear combinations, four -on -floor transmission, etc.) If yes, describe (j) Any cracked or broken glass? If yes, describe 4. TRUCKS: (a) If "pickup", "sedan delivery" or "panel", is it used in your occupation? Any wholesale or retail delivery? (b) If truck, are any operations beyond 50 mile radius? Any hauling done for others? Any filing requirements? Weight or capacity as shown on registration certificate Is auto farm truck? I hereby declare to the best of my knowledge and belief that all of the statements in this application are true and understand that any insurance afforded will be issued in reliance thereon. Personal Signature of Applicant Producing Agent I personally recommend this risk and certify to the best of my knowledge and belief that the signature of the applicant on this application is his personal signature. (If driver training credit is to be allowed, sign verification on back of N.O. copy.) BINDER: Is coverage bound for 10 days? Yes X No ❑ RECEIPT: This will acknowledge receipt of Cash ❑ Check 0 $ HEREFCRD INSURANCE AGENCY HEREFORD, COLORADO Form 1605 - R2 APPLICANT'S COPY CDL LJH /900 ET% TE 7 EER\/ICE A PART OF COLORADO STATE UNIVERSITY FORT COLLINS, COLORADO 80521 Foothills Campus 11 March 1969 FIELD OFFICES A LAMOSA CANON CITY COLORADO SPRINGS DURANGO PORT CO ILINS GLENWOOD SPRINGS GOLDEN MONTROSE STEAMBOAT SPRINGS TELEPHONE 303-482-8185 is Mr. Francis Duggan Fire Chief Pawnee Volunteer Fire Dept. Grover, Colorado Dear Fritz: Attached are five copies of the equipment agreement for the fire truck you are scheduled to receive from the Colorado State Forest Service. Please obtain the signatures of the indicated Weld County officials and return all copies of the agreement to me. As indicated by state law, the County Sheriff is the legal fire warden in each county, which makes the signatures of the county officials nec- essary. Although this agreement is between the county and the CSFS, your volunteer fire department is responsible for living up to the terms of the agreement. Since this is the first agreement of this nature to be initiated in Weld County, your county officials may have some questions. If so, I would be happy to clarify any questions they may have. There are also vehicle insurance requirements as indicated in Item 5 of Appendix B. Please include a certificate indicating you have obtained the necessary insurance and return it to me along with the signed agree- ments. __... When I receive both of these items, we can set a firm delivery date for the fire truck. We will bill you for the equipment listed in Items 2, 3, and 4 of Appendix A after delivery. Sincerely, LeRoy A. Scott State District Forester Enclosures Board of County Commissioners and Grover Residents REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE IN OBTAINING FIRE EQUIPMENT Meeting Held April 9, 1969 Mr. Anderson: Did you fellows have the fires out there the other night we had five or six down here too. i ?r r% d '' I heard they started over east of Barnesville. Mr. Anderson: Then Jack Wells and then George Bunting and the Petersons and over across the river. Mr. Scott: I talked to a man from Iliff yesterday and that same storm set some in that Iliff country. They had nine of them within six miles of my place, some more of them down at Keota. Mr. Anderson: If it hadn't been for the wind and rain out there, I talked to Harold Furrow out there at about 9:00 o'clock in the dark. He said the wind changed four time in 30 minutes out there. But we were in Gill getting some maintainers out, the tumble weeds were going over the telephone wires, it was really blowing. Mr. Billings: We about lost a maintainer out there, we brought him back in by radio, he didn't know which way he was going, he thought he was heading back the right way and we got to blinking lights and when he spoted us and we spoted him he was heading for Wyoming. Being dark and everything else he just got all mixed up. Mr. Anderson: Harry had to go out and show :one of the fellows out of the pasture over there. You get out there in the dark in one of those maintainers and nothing looks the same. Mr. Billings: he was still lost. Mr. Hillman: These people live out there and they know about it and I have never seen lightning like that night, it came down just like it had fingers on it. At Keith Nelson's they had four fires in one section. Mr. Anderson: I think Harold said there were six fires within a mile. Mr. Hillman: Keith said he was going out there with his bulldozer, he saw one of them hit and it looked like an explosion, it was just fire. 2 Mr. Anderson: We were out on that point of Rock Hill and saw that one hit out there and a big ball of fire just went out across there. It kind of scares you when you are there and it is popping around. Mr. Scott: They kind of sizzle a bit don't they. Mr. Anderson: Those maintainers aren't the best thing to fight those things with. In the dark you can drop off into to those washouts with them. Well why don't we have Mr. Scott tell us what he has on his mind. + Mr. Scott: When I orginally sent this agreement over I aniticipated that there would be some question in your mind as to just how the whole thing works, that is why I wrote a short cover letter with it saying if there was some question or some doubt, I would like the opportunity to perhaps talk to the County Commissioners and explain just how this works and how everybody fits into the picture. Mr. Anderson: Well the way your letter talked, it is just absolutely ,reverse of the procedure on how fire districts are set up. We couldn't go along on any of that, if we do, weave 18 more just like that. As far as the county being responsible for it and everything. ;)0( Mr. Scott: The County is responsible for it by State Statute. -f Mr. Anderson: Well, yes, but as far as the maintance and everything. Mr. Scott: Right, let me go back just a little bit and give you the history behind the equipment, how it gets where it is and where we get it and what we do with it. Basically our authority to cooperate with counties, fire protection districts, volunteer fire departments is authorized in this - you will hear referred to CM -2 Clark McNary, Section 2. This allows us to - in conjunction with the surplus properties to pick up surplus military equipement, revamp it, build it into fire gear and put it out to volunteer fire departments. Now that is basically what the law allows us to do, now the federal law. Now the way we operate on the state level is that we go to Carson, Warren, Logan, Utah, where ever there is surplus military equipment that is suitable for use in this fire program we go out and bring it back and completely revamp it. We put new engines in them if necessary and make it for the most part new type equipment. Then we modify it for fire fighting and in doing this we put these -under our present system - we put the completely revamped fire truck out to the fire department at no cast. That is for the basic vehicle, pumps and so forth and so on. f The only thing the fire department 3 must do is pay for the auxiliary equipment that goes on this and on a large trucks such as this -it amounts to about $650.00. This is the stuff that can be removed from the truck such as hoses, nozzles, axes, hard hats and the smaller fire extinguishers, this belongs to the fire department. This is their property and they own it. I guess it doesn't even belong to the State Forest Service it is a case of once federal always federal but they allow us to use it and in turn we allow the volunteer departments and we our three have some placed with County Sheriffs and fire protection districts/that we cooperate with. These trucks nwer do belong to the fire departments or the protection districts or the sheriff, however, it really doesn't make a whole lot of difference who owns them since they are allowed to use them as long as they want to use them, as long as they use them for fire control. We are primarily in the business of assistance we don't like to refer to ourselves as a policing type agency - in other words we are here to assist people not to be beating them over the head all the time to do the job. So keep this in mind. I brought an extra copy of these, I am sure you are aware of these but these are a little condensed version for the County Commissioners. Basically it starts on about Page 6, now this present system that we have set up and is exactly as it will be in Weld County is presently in operation in 43 western counties from the frontal range east. We have pieces of equipment in Yuma County, at Wray and at Joes and several other little towns in Yuma County. Basically what this boils down to is that by State Statute since I didn't bring enough copies of this would you like for me to read portions of this. Mr. Anderson: No we will have the attorney check it out. Mr. Scott: Alright fine, the state statutes after each paragraph are listed at the end of each paragraph. Basically the sheriff is the County Fire Warden, he is responsible for all fire department plans within the County. It states this in very point blank terms, whether it is a good or bad law it is one that has been on the books for a long time. Since the County Sheriff is basically - it is not basically - he is under the County Commissioners this boils the responsibility for fire control back to the County Commissioners. They are the governing body within the County. 4 Mr. Scotts Now how do the fire departments fit in? Now as I said this is presently in operation in about 44 counties it is a joint responsibility between the volunteer fire department and the County and as indicated out here we added a signature box for the volunteer fire chief to sign. Now when we deal with fire protection districts, they are of course a legal body in themselves - a legal entity of the state - so since they are we can't deal directly with them. Now since a volunteer fire department is not a legal body within the state it boils back to the County Commissioners. That is basically about it. As far as who incurs bills, who pays the bills, as far as we are concerned the volunteer fire department that we are cooperating with is responsible for paying the bills and this is the way it goes; looking at it from a joint responsibility between the County and the volunteer fire department. Now we have experience in this type of agreement, which I say again is in quite a few counties, that I know of, not one there is not any instance where there has been any difficultyof who is responsible for which. Now let me go one step farther, it works primarily on a gentlemen s type of agreement. Now let me emphasise again we still hold the exactly volunteer fire department responsible, even though it may not state this/in this agreement, but the fire chief is also an assignment This is why we have added the fire chief in addition to the Sheriff and the Chairman of the County Commissioners and the State Forest Service. Mr. Anderson: We have 18 fire districts in the County, as pear as we can tell there are 17 of them in pretty good shape. One of them presumably down here is suppose to be one of the better ones, now they are fighting and they are in the process now of setting up two districts in one district. They have fired the chief and half of the men have quite, so I was wondering what would happen when you get into a situation like that. We hope it doesn't but it could. The thing is I watched this one at LaSalle, Johnstown and Windsor and they are working pretty good and the one up at Nunn gets along alright. But where do we go if we get into a situation like that - who spanks the bad boys and who straightens them out - that is what I am worrying about. What do you want out of the County then, do you want our blessings or - Mr. Scott: Thats basically about all really, now since the - here again legal you have to deal with the/entity of the State or the County and basically f that is all that is necessary to sign the agreement. Mr. Anderson: There is one thing, or at least I don't think we can do, all these 18 districts, I think Harold can straighten me out on this, he was involved in one, but all these other volunteer fire districts are on their own and they have their own money, their own Boards, they govern themselves and *ill we do is sign their mill levy when we assess them which goes for operating money, isn't that right, Harold? Harold Anderson: Thats right. Marshall Anderson: The thing is what concerns me is the County isn't going to be obligated to any money - no- That was the thing - not that we have anything against Grover - but if we have to give Grover money we are going to have to give everyone of these agencies money. Mr. Scott: There will be no bills as far as Grover is concerned ever sent and billed to the County. We will bill directly to the fire department. There is only one county on the frontal range that I know of where we will the County this is Boulder County. Now what has happened there is they have quite a problem in Boulder County they have all these mountain subdivisions and I am sure you have heard reports of the fires we have already had this year. What the Boulder County Commissioners have done since they do have a very severe, problem and it gets worse before it get better. They have about 15 volunteer fire departments but the County Commissioners have appropriated $10,000.00 to put the fires out. When the volunteer fire department or the protection district order, equipment say just as an example of how it works - from the for them State Forest Service which we get/at a greatly reduced cost - this is new equipment not excess - we bill the County Sheriff and the County Sheriff pay the State Forest Service and in turn the County Sheriff or if you will the County Commissioners bill the volunteer fire deaprtment for 80 percent of the bill. In other words they share or pay 10 percent of the bill or cost until the $10,000.00 is gone and then they are back on their own again. This is rather peculiar because they are the only County that has gone this far. Marshall Anderson: Well you can see/the terrain they have over there, I think it would be - but actually - they must add that to the sheriff's budget then he is probably responsible for that money. Mr. Scott: Right, the bills go through the County Sheriff and then are paid by the Commissioners. Mr. Anderson: But it is probably in his budget. Mr. Scott: I can assure you all that would be necessary, I am sure when you have your State County Commissioners meeting you can talk to any County Commissioner - that we do not bill the County. Mr. Anderson: Well the only thing that concerns me personally was where are we going to go with the other 18, not that we want to hold this back cause I know the need for it out there - because we proved that out there the other night. We hope we don't have to use it again. I didn't want to get involved and say we would kick in $5,000.00 at Grover, I know that other areas will be in here for money Mr. Scott: I might add that Grover has done a real good jobso far. One of the requirements of course I am sure you have probably looked through this agreement, some of the stipulation that we insist upon is that they have a heated fire house so they will have an operational type piece of equipment all year round. Now the way the Clark-McNary Act is written it says this equipment is eligible for use on timber or water sheds land or to protect private property or human life - this covers a lot of ground. But basically all we are responsible for - I go on to point out is - the watershed. We are not responsible for any structural fires but it would be kind of narrow minded of us to have a piece of equipment sitting out in the Grover Fire House and have a general storm and say fellows you can not use it for that. We don't operate like that. We say if it is there use it. Use it for everything because the Statutes are primarily written, it says timber and watersheds are the primary use of this human life clause in the Clark-McNary Act keeps us clear on the rest of it. And the way this usually boils down is most towns, we are getting into the smaller towns now, but most towns have their own fire department, which keeps us out of trouble on this. But we say if it is there use it for both structural and watershed fires or prairie fires or what ever. This is being a little bit practical about the whole thing and that is the way we would like to be about it. 7 Marshall Anderson: Well I think you have cleared up a question on this finance deal. What concerned me was that these fellows are paying taxes — they would not like it if we raised their taxes on one hand and on the other if we didn't give them or go along with them - thats what concerned me if we were going to be involved. The thing that has happened is that all these other districts have set up there own, they have formed their own districts and have put their mill levy on - started out as a volunteer deal and found out they could not finance it that way, so they had to go the other route. We have to be consistant on this thing. I think you see our position on it. As far as I know the County never has - they haven't contributed, have they Harold, Harold Anderson: Not any more than the Mr. Anderson: Than what these men are asking for have they - its about the same thing - they all have our blessing I say when all these fire districts are created I think the Commissioners were in cooperation with it, but we didn't finance anything. Mr. Telep: All they need from you is when they get some money on the levy. Marsh I think the Board should go a little further I haven't heard anything said about, has it been acertained who takes title to this truck that implies a possibility. Suppose and God bless you - you volunteers I used to be in a volunteer fire department too - this is very commendable there is a responsibility connected with that - the question of having insurance on this - I don't know what the coverage would be and then too. is this a necessary function of the county. The courts look at it a little different somebody gets killed or a group of people get killed as a result of using this peice of fire fighting equipment and it could be a lethal weapon in the wrong hands. Now is it a propriatory function or is it used 1 in a government/capacity. In other words - the county - this is not absolutely necessary for the county to exist or run its government. So if its in a propriatory capacity, a question of liability, somebody suing the Commissioners -- we have said time and time again soverign immunity won't count. They want to protect the person who is killed and the people who are injured you will be held personally liable as a result of this. You have to look at this there are many ramifications of this thing. 8 Mr. Scott: Several of the things we recommend, that I recommend personally, and everyone has done it so far;is first of all, that the fire department incorporate, whereby you have corporate protection. In this agreement we will not as far as the insurance, we will not assign this truck until the fire chief of Grover or president of the fire board at Grover sends us a certificate that is current stating that they have insurance on this truck in the amount of 50-105. Mr. Telep: I like that - this is fine. You say this volunteer fire department will incorporate? Mr. Scott; Yes Mr. Telep: Okay, if they are incorporated then they are the right type and the desirable type of entity to have ownership of this truck - okay. Mr. Scott: This I recommend, well lets take a good example remember when the big winds hit Boulder - I was down there that night helping fight those fires and we have an engine at Cherryvale , we have two of them, the one that this fellow fell off of and was killed was our vehicle. We had no ramifications whatever this is why I recommend or we require insurance. It will just not be assigned and t:iis certificate - we carry a suspense file on these or I do in my office- and I check this periodically to make sure that each one of them has, a department that has one of our vechicle, sends us a current certificate renewing their insurance. Now something that we do not require is incorporation but everyone has been able to see the importance of it, that it removes personal liability and if the fellow is driving this truck has an unavoidable accident or something in the line of duty at least they can't go back on him personally, they can sue the fire department or they can sue both of them. Mr. Telep: Yes, as long as he was acting in the scope of what he was doing. Mr. Bartels: Is that ownership of that vehicle in the Forest Service? Mr. Scott: The title I believe was assigned to Boulder County, although a lot of these we will keep on file. Mr. Bartels: In that instance then shouldn't they in their insurance possibly have the insurance in the name of the protection district and an additional he . insured; the Forest Service. You have two different entities there. 9 Mr. Telep: Mr. Bartels: Ownership - responsibility follows ownership. But I thought you said earlier that ownership was actually with the Forest Service. Mr. Scott: No, actually the equipment, lets take a series of events. We get a piece of this equipment and revamp it and put it out to a fire department and say it is out there for eight or ten years and it is no longer servicable because it is just plain wearing out. Now when that equipment comes back in again it is catalogued and sent to the General Services Administration and they auction it. Even though the State Forest Service administers the operation of this equipment it still basically belongs to the'federal government but we are allowed to use it under this surplus properties act, we assign it so forth and so on. Harold Anderson: What is the difference in responsiblity between an organization of this type and a regular organized fire districts? Mr. Scott: Well of course, as I am sure you are very familiar with, they are tax supports districts, they are a legal entity, whereas a volunteer fire department is not, or as least as I understand it. Mr. Billings: Mr. Hillman: Mr. Billings: there. Mr. Hillmans Mr. Billings: Where are you going to derive your money from? Just donations. Just donations. Have you been able to pick up support out We have had pretty good support out there. I imagine you would, we talked about not being able to help out on any building or anything like that. possibly you could set up a fee for something like this. I know you have a fee on your city fire department if they go out in the rural area well it is $25.00 or something like this. Mr. Scott: in fact, they correct me if contributed to volunteer fire a pretty good like that but done on their The way I anticipate it working out there I would anticipate, have already been committed verbally and they have come through, I am wrong, that the Town of Grover - that the town council has this and they also donated a building. The fellows in the department at Nunn, I want to say right here they have done job. They don't have the fanciest flagstone building or anything they have a very satisfactory insulated building that they have own donated labor, and donated money. They have put a new door 10 in and have put heat in it and have made it into a very suitable fire house. This demonstrates some of the capabilities. We have presently in the neighborhood I know when I had Boulder and Larimer County, we had 57 of these vehicles out in the counties. Now throughout the state we have in the neighborhood of 350. Since I am not responsible throughout the state I am not sure but I know its around 350. Mr. Anderson: Well I think we are down to the point, I think we understand each other and I think I know what you want. I think it gets down to the legality to where the county has to be protected, you fellows have to be protected and get it down on paper. Mr. Telep: I think its alright, if it is alright with you people, that if you want to get incorported on some basis I will help you. I think its smart - the liability - the legal - not only on the behalf of the Commissioners because I know I have been in too many lawsuits. Especially these people as long as they are acting in the scope of what they are doing (going to a fire - coming home from a fire - you go out on your own and you are sticking in effect your neck out/ and we will make sure they have the necessary insurance and so forth and so on. and you can expect the county support. Mr. Scott: There is another state law they call I am not sure of the number - but I can sure get you a copy of it and it is called the fire chiefs law. If a man is officially designated by the community or carries the official title of fire chief he has a law with certain responsibilities certain authority while carrying out the duties within his appointed office as volunteer fire chief. Mr. Telep: We don't, you do that, we would appreciate that very much and they could incorporate and as a result of that incorporation they can adopt and act on by-laws, and this is what you are talking about. Do you have your by-laws already? Mr. Scotts Yes. Mr. Telep: And they designate the fire chief and etc - the chain of command right down the line. Mr. Scott: I worked with them earlier last year on the constitution and by-laws that lays out the operation fire department,the selection of officers and who is responsible for what duty and so forth in a normal type set-up. Mr. Telep: They have not incorporated as yet. 11 Audience: We have a fellow on the board who is working at the bank and he contacted their lawyer and he was going to do it for us. But he has not done it yet. Audience: I wrote to him a short time ago and he said he would do this but we haven't said anything to him yet. (?) If it would please the county if you would want to write a statement between the county and the volunteer fire department stating who would be responsible for financial liability. Mr. Telep: The very fact that you enter into an agreement as to who would be responsible does not bind third parties. Mr. Anderson: No I think the thing to do is you men put this all down on paper so we can make up a file on it. I think Mr. Telep we have to get this down on paper so we know what we are talking about, so they can get started. completely Mr. Scott:, The truck that we have to be/remodeled and will be ready to go tomorrow, we need the authority to put it out. Mr. Anderson: Where do we stand now and what do we need to do? Mr. Telep: You do nothing - whats holding back - your given a truck what is holding back you giving the truck? An entity to assign it to. Mr. Scott: No, I need the signatures on this agreement, that is all. Mr. Telep: Well, of course we would like to know what we are signing. I don't think the Commissioners would be in a position to sign something right now. Mr. Scott: I didn't mean right now. Harold Anderson: Should these fireman be covered by retirement? Mr. Scott: If they would give to the workman's fund - this they could join I am not sure Harold Anderson: Isn't that demanded? Mr. Scott: Not necessarily - in other words - I know very few. Some do and some do not belong to a retirment fund. Harold Anderson: I know in our district we have to - the district has put up $1,000.00, the government was suppose to match this. They didn't quite match it but we have gotten $800 or $900 a year for this refund and that was absolutely 12 Harold Anderson: demanded. Mr. Scotts This would be under the provisions for setting up fire protection districts, I believe. The number of fire protection districts that we are involved with arehardlyany of them, which demonstrates, that somehow volunteer fire departments do work and they do get money to operate. There were pledgesof $1,500.00 within thirty minutes of when the meeting was over. I just happen to see a sheet here there is about $19200.00 on deposit that comes in the neighborhood of 85 to 90 percent good pledges; and there are still some out that I think will come in from several big ranches in that area. I would foresee after they get established that they will have to put heaters in their fire house and they will have to have overhead doors, insulation and so forth and they should be able to operate and paying their insurance, gas and oil on about a $1,000.00 a year and distributing that among the number of people, who certainly have interest, because they have already donated this amount Mr. Anderson: I don't think we have any problem now. The thing is we cant get the county involved in this problem. Mr. Scotts the volunteer fire department Basically what it boils down to is/giving the County Sheriff one big handout because by State Statute the sheriff has to do it. Mr. Anderson: One reason we had Mr. Bartels come over here today, now there is a possilbe chance that we can set this up - is there Lefty - that we can get a radio in that truck out there? Mr. Bartels: Marsh, this is something we can check, you know in the past checking on this communication, there are State requirements that are difficult and you have to comply with so many stringent regulations that sometimes it makes it completely impossible. Mr. Anderson: Isn't there a civil defense group out at Grover? Mr. Bartels: You might have a better chance, now this is just an idea, you mentioned this thing and I mentioned to the people out east here they came to me about a truck, they wanted a water tank truck so I got in touch with down there. He contacted me and said have they got in touch with the forest Service, which they did with no success. So finally I told them now look, they are making up a want list now of the various materials or equipment that will fit in and they will try to work out something else as far as the truck. They were asking a little bit too much as far as new equipment, is this correct? 13 Mr. Scott: No I wouldn't say that in a situation - of course I am not n't familiar with this exact situation, I would/say that anyone asking for a truck was asking too much - it was just that we are perhaps a little different than most State agencies. We operate on a very small budget because we are a small organization. We put out approximately 16 to 20 truck a year. Now we just don't have money to do anymore than that but one thing that has been introduced in Washington, D. C. I am presently contacting the fire departments - the fire protection district and anyone else in the Northern Colorado Fire Protection Association or Fireman's Association - that Senator Montoya has introduced a bill that by him and 30 other Senators for a rural fire protection program. It is presently i4 of course the House and Senate Bill or the House of Representative and Senate Bill that would allow for up to 75 percent cost sharing by the federal government for additional fire protection in the states and they have it written up something like 5 million dollars a year, which really doesn't seem like„much but they increase every year for something like 4 years and it will get up to about 12 or 15 million dollars for the western states. We will probably get most of it because of the type of situation we are in. Most of the eastern states are more populated but they would be covered by regular city departments. They don't have quite the same problems we have here, it would be sparse population relative to the east and so forth and so on. Now this was supposed to be introduced last year but they ran out of time and it is going to be introduced this year and what I have been recommending is that the volunteer fire departments and any one interested do is to write to the legislature. Mr. Anderson: What I want to knryw - I have been in on two of these prairie fires this past year and we have an arrangement up here with Empire Dispatch that all the rural fire departments are on the Empire Dispatch. They also monitor the county rariio after 4:00 P. M. in the afternoon, if we want them to. We were talking back and forth the other night when we were out at the fires - if both those machines at Grover as I understand have radios in them. 14 Mr. Bartels: These are maintained. Mr. Anderson: Yes, if we could get - it would really work good if you could get - even if you have to set up a Civil Defense Unit out there within that fire department to get this radio and that way you would be in contact with the 6 maintainers whether there was a blizzard out there or whether we are fighting fires. Maybe it would be wise if this fire department - this volunteer fire department don':t amount to much unless it is in contact with this civil defense thing. If they would have set themselves up as a civil defense unit it might be worth a $1,000.00 to get a radio out of the deal. What we have here in the County is a civil defense radio. I thitik with the kind of conditions we had out there the other night if it hadn't been for Glen and his foreman out there with a radio they would probably had that machine running around out there in the dark all night and the same thing can happen to you on this fire truck. A year ago when that Greeley Fire Department ran out of gas and if we hadn't had a pickup out there with gasoline in it would have burned up a truck. He couldn't even pump any water. I think Lefty you ought to look into this and see if you can't get these boys a radio. Mr. Bartel: Now this is for the fire districts you are talking about. Mr. Anderson: The volunteer fire department - if they get a radio in that truck if they get into trouble out there - even in a BLOW storm. We have been trying to get the school district to go on this ban. Mr. Billings: You might have fire or something that might happen in the daytime and the graders would be over the hill and wouldn't know a thing about it - you could call them on the radio and they could come in. Mr. Anderson: Another thing w e found out - you send these operators into these pastures and if they don't know where they are going they can get themselves into the worst mess. The other night Stow Witwer called and wanted those maintainers at Jack Well's and he started telling me where to come. I told him to go to Gill and take those machines with you and don't leave them because you know how to get there, and we would pick you up. One man didn't follow orders and was lost for o'er three hours. We found that fighting these fires if you don't have some radios, especially when it gets dark on you Mr. Scott: If you think it is bad out here in the prairie you should be in the motintains you can be 100 yards away from them and you won't see them. 15 Mr. Anderson: As long as were going into this thing fellows I think we should go a little bit farther and I think through the Civil Defense Director and us we can request this. We are trying to get the same set-up for Nunn, Roggen Kersey, trying to get them on our system. We only use this system 40 hours a week'and we have a good monitoring system - 24 hours - 7 days a week). If you would happen to burn a telephone line in two and you need an ambulance you have a way of getting to town. Mr. Scott: Empire Dispatch, is that State Patrol? Mr. Anderson: No, it is a private common carrier out here. Mr. Scott: Our state radios we use the Greeley dispatch state patrol. Mr. Anderson: Yes but you see our Sheriff's office does, we've got a County radio system, it is a Civil Defense radio and there are 6 maintainers out in that area with radios on them because of those missile sites. If you had a radio in that fire engine, where you could talk to these maintainers. Mr. Scott: That would be excellent Mr. Anderson: Don't you think we ought to Mr. Hillman Yes, if we can get them Mr. Anderson: Even if you men have to set up a --- I know there is a Civil Defense Unit at Briggsdale. The Forest Service is in here once a year meeting with us. Mr. Bartels: There may be a couple of people interested in this type of thing in that area but whether there still Mr. Anderson: They live over on the west side, Lefty. OHe of the men from the grazing association and the college. Why don't you check into it and see if we can't, as long as they are going to get the fire engine, why don't you see - if we can't get that - because we need ---- Mr. Bartel: Well again right along with this is we can work something in with those school busses too. Mr. Billings: I think those fellows are working on that. Mr. Anderson: I think this would help wake those school board members up on that. Mr. Scott: One thing that is interesting to me and I thought it was probably - it is just a passing point but - one of the things that is real significant is this truck running out of gas and they couldn't pump any water or anything. In the National Fire Protection Association requirements - in order to meet a Class A fire district, they require that at least one truck in that area 16 have a 750 gallon a minute pump capacity with a pump that works off the transfer case. Now this has been our experience and in the mountains primarily - you get out there and you get ahead of a fire - or flanking a fire trying to cut it off you really don't know where that fire is going to go unless you have some way of making it §o the way you want it to go - or something like this. But you get up there and you are in real tough'terrain and you get out here in sand you are liable to blow an engine, or bust an axle, or throw out a transfer case and there you sit. If your pump is hooked to the transfer case there you sit too. So what we have done on all of our trucks, we put two out in the beginning with pumps that work off the transfer case and we quit; but now all our pumps works off an independent engine. Some of them have a six cylinder GMC engine, some of them have a 4 cylinder Continental Industrial but they all work off the separate engines. The one particular one that Grover is going to get has two pumps, one works off the transfer case and the other one works off and independent engine and it is capable of handling two)inch and a half hoses. So if they ever do get into a situation like that where they blow the engine up in their truck, which is very possible, they will still have enough power in their auxillary engine- to protect themselves In a grass fire you can do this. Mr. Anderson; That is one thing, I won't let, the other night when we put these men together the orders were that the machines had to stay together. One machine can not wipe out one of those fires. Two can and for two reason their cables - they had a cable on the front end and a cable on the back_end in case one got into trouble they could get them out. This thing needs to be organized a little bit more but what I am getting at if we can get a radio in that fire engine and those machines out there with radios in them your going to make a lot of tine your not going to be getting into jackpot and if you do you can at least get somebody to come help you. Mr. Hillman: What I would like to do is to get this fire truck in operation just as quick as possible and it will probably take some time to get this radio thing all worked out and it can be added. Mr. Anderson: Yes, you bet, but the reason I wanted Lefty here today was to - so you fellows would at least get started on this. We are alright with Kersey we can call back into Empire and they can transfer us back and forth - it doesn't 17 work well but it is better than a white flag. The other night we were talking to the fire engine out there at the Seventy Ranch on different frequency we were going through the dispatcher here. Mr. Bartels: Let me see what I can do on that, Marsh. I would like to see this school thing work in too. In your area there and Harold has been concerned that if we get a school bus caught out there. A year ago when they had that tough blizzard out there it could just a well have happened. So now as we are doing this if we could combine and work something out so we could talk to the school board and get their idea and if they are willing to cooperate. Mr.Hillman: I wonder if you could come out sometime after you get it organized and meet with the school board and the fire board. I think you can do a better job of explaining this than we can. Mr. Anderson: Why don't you get the man from Denver to come up. Mr. Bartels; That is what I was going to say what we can do is to get him communications I don't know the details you need a man who knows this and what we need to do. Mr. Hillman: That is what we would be up against is trying to explain something we didn't understand. Mr. Bartels: Possibly if we could get the man. from Denver and get him up will along possibly with Empire and we/just go up there and meet with you people and see what we can work out. There is a definite need - I think this is the thing Marsh - but like I say many times people go to the state because they want a radio - they set up these requirements and make it completely impossible you have to have a complete communication survey - Mr. Anderson: Then you pay $10,000 for a communication survey - we know what we have and we know what we need. Mr. Bartels: If I ask them for that much there is no reason between the Forest Service and themselves and the Civil Defense why we can not obtain a radio and work this thing out. Mr. Scott: We have had a devil of a time ourselves, I think maybe Lefty is familiar with this at least to this extent, there are so many communication systems going in now, that there is just one devil of a fight to get a frequency 18 Mr. Anderson: Well we have the frequency. It has been assigned to us. Mr. Billings: We want them on this frequency, they have radios on those busses out there but they are not on our frequency so it doesn't do a bit of good. Mr. Scott: This is the problem that the State Forest Service had because we cover the entire state and we finally got it ironed out to where we or I can talk to a man in Durango not direct but I can call Greeley Dispatch and he puts it out on micro -wave and he gets Durango, then I can get him on the phone. The dispatcher in Durango can pick him up on the radio and we can just keep relaying, which is going to work real well because we have 24 hour coverage with the State Patrol too. No matter who we have to get into contact with we can do it by some sort of dispatcher or another. I might add on this truck - we have designed an experimental truck and put it out in Wray. You talked about getting into all these jackpots we have designed this one to keep you out of a lot of jackpots and to help out a lot of other people. One system that most of these fire departments have been using is putting decker out in front on the bumper and having their fireman stand out there What - and spray as they go, which is a fairly good system; but/we have done is we have put spray booms under the front bumper, put the control valves inside so one man can operate everything in the truck. If you have an emergency where you say the only road to a bunch of ranch buildings is covered by fire, with this particular truck you will not only be able to go on the fire line without fire, you will be able to go through one, because you will be inside. It might get a little warm but you will have a big fog up in front of you. We put coolant nozzles on the gas and fuel tanks and the whole works. You will have a 1,200 gallon capacity to give you about 30 to 40 minutes of continuous operation if you never shut it off. Mr. Anderson: Sam do you have all the details of what we have to do. Mr. Telep: Yes, and with their permission and the permission of the Board especially, I will go into that with you later, but it won't take to much really I think it would be a wise suggestion on the part of the Board to help them out, get them incorporated under the non-profit corporate act. They have their by-laws practically what they want in essense subject to the changes - if this is what they want- well record that thing and then they are in business. They know how to write their 19 minutes up. And evidently he has been taking them through this thing this is fine, they are ready to go. They will take title to this truck and Lefty will see that they are insured and so forth and so on and they are in business. Mr. Anderson: Alright then, why don't we get the showon the road Deputy County Clerk t��6v Hello